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I think an ambitious club would see that it’s time for us to part ways with Arteta.

For what it’s worth, he’s definitely exceeded my expectations of him as they were three years ago. To challenge for the title and get to the semis of the European cup is far more than I would have thought him capable of.

But this is his ceiling. It’s hard to know who to blame for last summer. It felt more like an exercise in someone deciding that a) we could make do with what we had and b) we can make the squad a lot thinner by getting rid of a lot of players and easing up the wage bill.
So it’s fair to say we have a problem even if he goes, but that’s not a reason to keep him. Ultimately last night wasn’t the problem, we made errors and they were punished but the real problem was the position we put ourselves in from the first leg. Like NQ I don’t think PSG are anything special, they’ve got some good players but also a lot of “meh ok I guess” players but they are well drilled as a unit and knew how to punish us.

That Arteta couldn’t find a more creative solution to being without Partey in the first leg shows his limitations. I’m sure he’d do ok with a team like PSG where the money and creative accountancy is there to allow you a steep learning curve.

But all throughout his Arsenal career, he’s made fatal errors in judgement, both in the transfer market and in tactical judgement and been too slow to correct.

And just in case people thinking im overlooking it, the striker or lack thereof situation is so glaring that it almost goes without saying. Who is responsible for that fiasco again not sure, but if Arteta wanted the power he now has at the club he also takes the responsibility.

Unlike some here I don’t think a rebuild of the squad is called for, but I think it will be if we keep Arteta on past this season

Quite a measured post from you this morning.

Apparently Arteta believes we were the better side across both legs and PSG only have Donaruma to thank for going through.

He basing his argument on Xg , which is interesting.

AW and all other football people I've heard this morning dIsagree though, and are saying the same thing, we didn't do enough.

As far as I am concerned, Arsenal does not exist in a bubble.

Despite all the sacrifices made in the league, you couldn't compare our semi final efforts with what Barca and Inter gave in both matches; and when you look at the things that really matter, not Xg, not reaching semi finals, not coming second in the league every season, you realise the pattern of Arteta's Arsenal falling short by consistently being unable to go the extra mile when it counts.

Like Sky points out, we have had 4 semi finals after the FA cup win, playing 8 games in these ties and not won a single leg.

We've come a close 2nd twice in the league, losing each title in the business part of the season. Even this season, Liverpool's results in the business half shows they could have been caught, if we replicated the form we had last season in our last 15 games (we took 40 points from 45, we'd be 13 points better off and only 2 points behind Liverpool, with Anfield to come).

Looking at the players yesterday I never saw belief that they would get back into the game, not once, not even after the penalty save. Again, we don't exist in a bubble. Barca came back from a 2 goal deficit in 2 legs twice!

With all the Xg, we were only comfortable enough to get a goal when it was clear the game was done and dusted. This is a game that was easily our most important game in 15 years or so. BTW, that goal was only our 2nd goal across 8 semi final matches!

Arteta's belief in small incremental steps will encourage this team to stay comfortable and never ask themselves tough questions. They'll never be able to reach within themselves to unleash that extra and bring out their full potential. This idea of being comfortable in your skin is not a mentality that can make you no1 in a truly competitive sport.

[Niall_Quinn]

Isn’t our football devoid enough of entertainment?

Nothing to lose. Can't see Arteta abandoning that soul crushing possession game in 90% of the matches. At least Simeone would introduce a bit of lumping and bone crushing - something to watch.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Nothing to lose. Can't see Arteta abandoning that soul crushing possession game in 90% of the matches. At least Simeone would introduce a bit of lumping and bone crushing - something to watch.

Well if by that you mean thuggery and actually cheating. Prolific divers and time wasters

We’d get the same amount of red cards, only this time we’d probably deserve them

[selassie]

Well he's definitely getting at least one more season, I don't think that's in doubt. If we get a proper striker in and take care of the same mistakes that keep on happening, who knows? We'll likely get the striker - even they can't get away with that one for a third window. Whether Arteta can clean up the lack of consistency in the performances, so far there's no indication he can. He'll have to change the way he does things and I wonder if he's capable or willing to do that?

I personally think we need more than a striker. At the bare minimum we need a striker (top class one, not a project), we need a top class winger to effectively relegate Martinelli to a bench / rotational player, I also think we need a creative midfielder to properly challenge Odegaard. Backup keeper is required too of a decent standard.

For sure Arteta needs to be a bit more flexible in his approach, but some of what we are seeing is more down to who we have available because the football we saw from a fully fit squad January 2024 to the end of last season was a damn sight better than what we have seen for a majority of this season.

[Niall_Quinn]

Quite a measured post from you this morning.

Apparently Arteta believes we were the better side across both legs and PSG only have Donaruma to thank for going through.

He basing his argument on Xg , which is interesting.

AW and all other football people I've heard this morning dIsagree though, and are saying the same thing, we didn't do enough.

As far as I am concerned, Arsenal does not exist in a bubble.

Despite all the sacrifices made in the league, you couldn't compare our semi final efforts with what Barca and Inter gave in both matches; and when you look at the things that really matter, not Xg, not reaching semi finals, not coming second in the league every season, you realise the pattern of Arteta's Arsenal falling short by consistently being unable to go the extra mile when it counts.

Like Sky points out, we have had 4 semi finals after the FA cup win, playing 8 games in these ties and not won a single leg.

We've come a close 2nd twice in the league, losing each title in the business part of the season. Even this season, Liverpool's results in the business half shows they could have been caught, if we replicated the form we had last season in our last 15 games (we took 40 points from 45, we'd be 13 points better off and only 2 points behind Liverpool, with Anfield to come).

Looking at the players yesterday I never saw belief that they would get back into the game, not once, not even after the penalty save. Again, we don't exist in a bubble. Barca came back from a 2 goal deficit in 2 legs twice!

With all the Xg, we were only comfortable enough to get a goal when it was clear the game was done and dusted. This is a game that was easily our most important game in 15 years or so. BTW, that goal was only our 2nd goal across 8 semi final matches!

Arteta's belief in small incremental steps will encourage this team to stay comfortable and never ask themselves tough questions. They'll never be able to reach within themselves to unleash that extra and bring out their full potential. This idea of being comfortable in your skin is not a mentality that can make you no1 in a truly competitive sport.

Wenger's curse still lingers. The club has never shaken it. The Top 4 Trophy! Now we are "Champions in Waiting", apparently. Ah, the waiting period... Roll on the summer and the wanting period, followed by the what-the-fuck period.

[Niall_Quinn]

Well if by that you mean thuggery and actually cheating. Prolific divers and time wasters

We’d get the same amount of red cards, only this time we’d probably deserve them

Like I said, nothing to lose.

[Niall_Quinn]

I personally think we need more than a striker. At the bare minimum we need a striker (top class one, not a project), we need a top class winger to effectively relegate Martinelli to a bench / rotational player, I also think we need a creative midfielder to properly challenge Odegaard. Backup keeper is required too of a decent standard.

For sure Arteta needs to be a bit more flexible in his approach, but some of what we are seeing is more down to who we have available because the football we saw from a fully fit squad January 2024 to the end of last season was a damn sight better than what we have seen for a majority of this season.

Absolutely, several players required to shake up the luxury some of the current crop enjoy due to the lack of competition. And just for the squad depth. We literally went into those big CL ties with half the academy on the bench. When you look at the squad depth of all the teams we are supposedly challenging, there's no comparison. I wonder how everyone else can afford the wages when we can't, especially in light of the ever increasing commercial efforts. Trouble is, it's a vicious cycle. If you aren't winning then you need to pay over the odds and pay early to keep hold of your talent. And when you bring in cover/ competition you risk players running off who don't fancy it, because they can benchwarm at far more successful clubs. I can imagine it's not easy to juggle it all - but they bring it on themselves. Just a little bit of ambition last summer and where might we be today? Every make do and mend, jam tomorrow decision has potentially many knock-on effects. Same as the momentum argument - winning is a habit and everyone likes being involved in a winning environment. And the benefits accrue from there.

Hopefully the fanbase won't settle for, "We didn't do too badly, second (fingers crossed) in the league, semis in the CL!" Hopefully they won't be able to slide that one past and make the oweners and manager feel as comfortable as some of these players are.

[Mac76]

There's an incredeible amount of revisionism going on on social media, apparently our lack of a stiker is nothing to do with Arteta and it's all the board/owners fault for not backing him, never mind that he prioritised Merino and Calafiori over the summer while getting rid of ESR, Vieira, Nelson, Eddie - Ok, none of them are that great but he replaced them with ... Sterling

I get that they clearly wanted to sell off some players to bring some money in (and I'm not unhappy with any of the ones they did sell), but it's where he put the money available that's on him - he honestly thought Havertz and Jesus would be enough...

[HCZ_Reborn]

There's an incredeible amount of revisionism going on on social media, apparently our lack of a stiker is nothing to do with Arteta and it's all the board/owners fault for not backing him, never mind that he prioritised Merino and Calafiori over the summer while getting rid of ESR, Vieira, Nelson, Eddie - Ok, none of them are that great but he replaced them with ... Sterling

I get that they clearly wanted to sell off some players to bring some money in (and I'm not unhappy with any of the ones they did sell), but it's where he put the money available that's on him - he honestly thought Havertz and Jesus would be enough...

The thought process as I understood it was that Merino and Calafiori were more necessary because it was expected that if we were going to be in midfield and defence (I think we all can agree that Partey playing as much as he has this season is not something any of us thought would happen).

Where as Trossard, Saka and Havertz who got the majority of our goals last season did stay fit, and with them we got 91 league goals

To clarify, this is not my view….this is what I believe the view of Arteta and those around him had (although there is a question mark over how unified they all were, as the reasons for Edu’s departure still remain speculative)

It was a Gamble and one that clearly failed.


I can’t remember whether it was you or someone else who said that they were mainly happy for the fringe players to go because the expectation was that they would be replaced (which was much how I felt at the time), to a degree I guess they have been with the promotion of Nwaneri and Lewis-Skelly.


But selling off Nketiah and not bringing someone else in felt particularly rum, simply because there are a lot of games where he could have played and not risked Havertz with soft tissue injuries by being overused.

And that’s before you factor in the very big assumption that all these players would perform as well in front of goal as they did last season. And that there would be more goal contributions from Jesus, Odegaard etc

As I said in a post this morning, Arteta wanted the power, he also takes the responsibility

But equally the owners are not absolved from blame, they clearly wanted to make sure that we didn’t spend more than we brought in. Whilst I understand the main issue was the wage bill rather than transfer spending, the consensus appears to be that we had more than enough elbow room to be ambitious.

[Niall_Quinn]

The owners are focused on expanding the stadium so they can rinse more mugs.