Btw i didn't notice but apparently Trossard was injured and ofc Merino's suspended so while Merino's not great if they're both out v Newcastle that's a problem...
Btw i didn't notice but apparently Trossard was injured and ofc Merino's suspended so while Merino's not great if they're both out v Newcastle that's a problem...
Lose the dogOriginally Posted by Letters
I honestly assumed it was spelt 'Wyn' when they got it, I didn't think we'd be crass and ridiculous enough to call it 'Win' but ofc we had...
No I know what you were saying. I just listed the factors as to why perhaps we held onto what we had
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I honestly assumed it was spelt 'Wyn' when they got it, I didn't think we'd be crass and ridiculous enough to call it 'Win' but ofc we had...
Don’t matter what you call it, it isn’t going to come to you
This season we’d be better off calling her Stalemate
Probably the mood I'm in today but I'm seeing a lot of negativity over yesterday's game/result. Is it really that surprising that we had a poor first half after Wednesday's heartbreak? I'm impressed, both by the application of our players who must be exhausted physically and mentally, and by Areteta's ability totally to switch things up at half time to come back from 0-2 down at Anfield - probably the hardest place to go in the league. As for Liverpool not really trying - if we think that team was not motivated in front of their fans to show that they are a better team than us - I think that's deluded.
We are not a shit team. We frustrate and are undercooked squad wise, but drawing a game in which we were dead and buried at half time (was fearing 4 or 5 against) shouldn't be dismissed, IMO. And once we were back on level terms, I'm not going to blame the manager for wanting to try to preserve what in the circumstances is a pretty precious point.
To say I want revenge on Newcastle is an understatement.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
Yeah, it's REALLY surprising we had a shit first half. I mean that in a tongue-in-cheek way of course. They players have zero respect for the fans. That's the main issue.
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I'm assuming that They players have zero respect for the fans. isn't tongue in cheek. If so, I think you are wrong. Our shit first half on Sunday was not down to our players having contempt for our fans. Nor was the reaction in the second half based directly on wanting to please the fans.
In terms of respect for fans, I imagine that being a professional football player is in some ways similar to the relationship between a professional and their clients. As a professional I depend on and respect my clients and want to produce results for them, but my principal motivation is doing a good job and making money to support my lifestyle/needs.
I believe that for footballers the position is broadly similar. The majority will respect fans as a key component in what they do. Some - who are also fans of the club they play for - will respect them more. But given what it takes to be a professional player - particularly at the top level - the motivation is likely to be internal - be the best you can be and achieve as much success as you can. Players will also be motivated by the need to please a good manager and protect their place in the team.
But poor performances can be caused by many factors - physical; mental; poor management; game state...that are unrelated to the relationship with fans. It's fanciful to suggest that they are motivated pricipally by a lack of respect for them.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
agreed
The other side of the coin is that fans' respect for players is diminishing. Yes we adulate those players who perform well, but we also scapegoat them when they don't perform to our expectations. And we increasingly tend to lack understanding or empathy when they are going through difficult times. Take Odegard this season for example. There has clearly been something wrong with him following a serious injury suffered in September. I suspect it's been repercussions of this or illness. But there have been plenty of Gooners suggesting that he is over/not up to it, or that he hasn't been trying or focussed. This for our captain, our player of the season for the 2 previous seasons and someone whose commitment to and effort for the club has never been in doubt.
We are a fickle lot, us fans. And while we demand 'respect' from our players we don't always prectice what we preach.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
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