Europa League 24/25

[HCZ_Reborn]

Whilst I say I was unbothered by the result of this match (and I am). What I don’t get is the very online mentality of younger fans who wanted Spurs to win because there’s a bigger feud with United fans

Make that make sense

Apparently it’s also about international fans, in Nigeria for example there’s tribal (in the truest sense of the word) antagonism between the United fans and Arsenal fans.

Don’t have any issue with people from any part of the world supporting Arsenal (you tuber called Chef Reactions is an Arsenal fan and I found that out after watching his amusing content) but has to be said, you kind of miss the point of doing so if you genuinely think you’re meant to dislike Man United more than Spurs.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I must admit I keep on expecting them not to be shit.
But they keep being shit.
And it does keep slightly surprising me.

I think I'm just hard wired to assume they will eventually come good, or at least be less shit. Doesn't seem to be happening though.

[Marc Overmars]

Whilst I say I was unbothered by the result of this match (and I am). What I don’t get is the very online mentality of younger fans who wanted Spurs to win because there’s a bigger feud with United fans

Make that make sense

Apparently it’s also about international fans, in Nigeria for example there’s tribal (in the truest sense of the word) antagonism between the United fans and Arsenal fans.

Don’t have any issue with people from any part of the world supporting Arsenal (you tuber called Chef Reactions is an Arsenal fan and I found that out after watching his amusing content) but has to be said, you kind of miss the point of doing so if you genuinely think you’re meant to dislike Man United more than Spurs.

I don’t consider United rival. Historically I guess they are but we haven’t been on the same trajectories for around 20 years. If any Arsenal fan preferred a Spurs win last night then that is really bizarre. Then again most of these online warriors from other parts of the world wouldn’t necessarily “get” football from our perspective.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don’t consider United rival. Historically I guess they are but we haven’t been on the same trajectories for around 20 years. If any Arsenal fan preferred a Spurs win last night then that is really bizarre. Then again most of these online warriors from other parts of the world wouldn’t necessarily “get” football from our perspective.

Yep

There is a big difference between being title rivals (which United were once but they sure as fuck aren’t currently) and rivals in perpetuity

A lot of the international fan base has the most online engagement. Don’t get me wrong, I find all the rainbow laces stuff pandering and patronising, it’s also incredibly cynical because it’s all about chasing the pink pound. But you know people from Africa or the subcontinent are out in force when you get in reaction, and all this talk about anal sex (which makes me wonder if NQ is from Nigeria or Uganda giving he seems to share their morbid fascination with it).

But considering In parts of Africa, witch doctors tell men to cure their AIDS by raping babies…I don’t think they’ve got any standing to accuse us of degeneracy

[Letters]

The international fanbase aren't going to "get" the local rivalry. Why would they?
They live in their online bubble. That's not a criticism, just a fact.

[HCZ_Reborn]

The international fanbase aren't going to "get" the local rivalry. Why would they?
They live in their online bubble. That's not a criticism, just a fact.

Feels to me a bit daft though

It’s like if I decided to start supporting Borussia Dortmund (they are my favourite German club but I can’t go as far as to say I support them) yet make no effort to appreciate the mutual loathing between them and Schalke.

I hate to sound all Mac76 who seems to me to think all Arsenal fans should look upon Spurs the way Inigo Montoya looks upon Count Rugen. But there’s a point that if you can’t at least understand the local history and sporting animosity that you aren’t truly a fan.

[Letters]

I think you can understand it from anywhere but it is different when you live in North London and are immersed in it.
For example, in '91 after the FA Cup Semi-Final - it was the first really big game I'd been to - I remember on the Monday morning walking in to the 6th form common room and literally a cheer going up from the Spurs fans. I still wake up screaming. No fan in Nigeria or Hong Kong or wherever around the world is having that experience. They're not going on trains full of Spurs fans going to or from the game. It has to be a different experience.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think you can understand it from anywhere but it is different when you live in North London and are immersed in it.
For example, in '91 after the FA Cup Semi-Final - it was the first really big game I'd been to - I remember on the Monday morning walking in to the 6th form common room and literally a cheer going up from the Spurs fans. I still wake up screaming. No fan in Nigeria or Hong Kong or wherever around the world is having that experience. They're not going on trains full of Spurs fans going to or from the game. It has to be a different experience.

I’m not sure experiences need to be that raw or visceral to be understood

I’ve known Spurs fans my whole life, it seems to me they have warped priorities. Take for instance us winning the league at WHL, they were celebrating because they’d stopped us from winning outright (now I was pretty pissed off about that at the time, but if Spurs won the league at the Emirates with a draw I’d be mortified).

I almost certainly wouldn’t watch a north london Derby with any of them, but England games? All the time.

I haven’t experienced the thuggery that some here who are old enough may have experienced, and in the interminable debate about whether football has improved or regressed. I think we can all (hopefully) agree that those days largely being long gone is a sign of progress.



I don’t think you really need the ingrained memories of either savagery or heart rending humiliation to get it. You just need to know that both clubs are from North London, and in terms of success it’s a bit of a one sided rivalry it’s a rivalry all the same. And that because of this, wanting them to win even a second tier European trophy against a has been Manchester United is anathema to our traditions

[Letters]

IYou just need to know that both clubs are from North London, and in terms of success it’s a bit of a one sided rivalry it’s a rivalry all the same. And that because of this,
wanting them to win even a second tier European trophy against a has been Manchester United is anathema to our traditions

But Man Utd are a much bigger club globally.
If you're in bongo bongo land your day to day experience may well be ManUtd fans being the utter cocks and you know they'll be peacocking around for ages if they are rubbish all season and then blunder their way to a trophy. You might not even know many Spurs fans.
In that context I guess I get it.

[HCZ_Reborn]

But Man Utd are a much bigger club globally.
If you're in bongo bongo land your day to day experience may well be ManUtd fans being the utter cocks and you know they'll be peacocking around for ages if they are rubbish all season and then blunder their way to a trophy. You might not even know many Spurs fans.
In that context I guess I get it.

Maybe but it still means you’re not really a proper Arsenal fan

It’s like how in the Mafia you get made men and you get associates, most of whom would never get their button because they aren’t pure Italian or something.

They are associate fans