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Wow! And I get accused of skewing statistics...Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
You can't make sensible comparisons between the 3 sides over the last 6 games because in each case it's 6 completely different games in different circumstances. City had no really difficult games in their last 6 - Spurs away was probably the hardest, on paper, but Spurs long since had the flip-flops on by then.
Arsenal had 2 difficult games and they got decent results in both. Chelsea came and parked the bus, something they're experts at, and that was the only points we dropped in a 10 game run before the Swansea game. A draw away at Utd is never a bad result, they only lost 3 home games all season and they were all silly ones. Chelsea drew there, City lost.
If we did 'collapse' then it was only after the title had gone. When we played Swansea we couldn't be champions any more. Even then we only 'collapsed' from 2nd to 3rd, we did enough at Old Trafford to assure automatic CL qualification. There was some concern about momentum going into the Cup Final but we got a good result on the last day and stormed the Cup Final.
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He doesn't LIKE black people. But he does care about them a lot, he cares they are in his country and wants them out and he cares about the ones in other countries, especially when it comes to targeting and damage assessment.
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Eh? Which bits have I 'skewed'?
All I've done is listed the numbers you can get directly from the BBC. You are deliberately ignoring the issue, every single time, by throwing a blanket over it and saying we couldn't win the title. So what? So what if we couldn't win the title - there was still 5 games there to win. Why didn't we if we are supposedly positioning ourselves for a title challenge next season? Next season. Next season. Next season. Next season...
Basically your argument is, we couldn't catch the chavs so fuck it, pack it in. As I have already explained to you, that's not a winner's mentality. It's the sort of mentality that accommodates second best status.
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And what a coincidence that we sweep everything before us in a winning run - right up until we qualified for the CL. Real job done! If that doesn't show you Wenger's priorities and you aren't prepared to accept the words out of his own mouth as you speculate what he thinks and what the players think, etc, etc, what will? Nothing. You have blocked your eyes and ears and refused to be bugged with the facts.
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Oh come on, stop playing dumb.
You know as well as I do that the numbers need a bit of interpretation. Otherwise I could say:
In the last 3 games Chelsea 'collapsed'
P3 W1 D1 L1 - 4 points out of 9
Had that cost them the title it would have been very poor form, but they were already champions, it didn't matter any more. Our 'collapse' cost us 2nd place. Where we differ is how much difference that makes.
We finished 4 points behind City when we might have finished a few points above. We already beat them and drew with them during the season, we showed we can go toe to toe with them. Obsessing about finishing above a certain team is the stuff of Spurs fans, you're either champions or you're not.
So, with the title gone and the FA Cup final to consider, I can understand a little taking the eye off the ball.You are deliberately ignoring the issue, every single time, by throwing a blanket over it and saying we couldn't win the title. So what?
We did enough to finish 3rd, it got us automatic qualification for the CL.
I was a little concerned that we'd switched off too much and wouldn't have any momentum for the Cup Final but we were superb on the day.
No, my argument is above. If it was the difference between champions in 2nd then that's not acceptable.Basically your argument is, we couldn't catch the chavs so fuck it, pack it in.
Collapsing to 4th would have been pretty pathetic too, but we didn't go that far.
Last season we won our last 5 games and the Cup, it didn't help us get off to a storming start this season.
There is zero evidence that a good end to one season ensures a good start to the next.
All games matter but some clearly matter more than others, when it really mattered, in the Cup Final, we turned up and did the business.
Plainly the gypos don't see it your way.
What did they have to play for when they finished off the season with a 100% record?
For you to think it is understandable to slacken off during a season that lasts 38 games demonstrates vividly why you find second best to be not only acceptable but an achievement. This is where we differ fundamentally. Your mentality is similar to Wenger's. Mine is similar to the manager that needs to come in to replace Wenger.
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They had a much easier run in than us and they didn't have a Cup Final to consider.
They can parade their 2nd place trophy if they like.
You ignored the part about Chelsea slacking off of course.
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NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.
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