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Thread: Can we win the Premier League again under Wenger ?

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    Also gut feeling - Wilshere's going to make a lot of people look foolish. He's an immature twat but he takes his football seriously and desperately wants to make it. Talent has never been in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
    Sometimes I think Ramsey would get more credit if he was uglier and had a shit haircut. He's our Vidal, probably better in all honesty. And you can't have two of them or else the midfield loses all shape. Ramsey Ozil and Coquelin stay injury free, our midfield isn't the reason we don't win a title. Giroud's shit finishing is, if we're trying to pinpoint the problem. He needs Sanchez to become Suarez so his hard, creative work will be noticed and his shit finishing won't.
    I'd agree if you were talking about 2013/14 Ramsey. But last season it was Cazorla that kept us ticking whilst Ramsey was shaky and then picked up an injury and he hasn't been that same player.

    But you're right about the striker position. It's vital we buy someone better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    You don't think selling them the leagues best striker, RVP, had anything to do with it?
    Well it helped, obviously. But still, with that squad - compared with City's and Chelsea's - there was no way they should have won the league.
    RVP was there the following season too when they finished 7th under a different manager.

    Liverpool came close for 2 reasons, they had no European football and they had Suarez on insane form.

    We won't win the league this year without a couple more signings, even with them it will be tough because there are 3 other sides who will compete strongly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Well it helped, obviously. But still, with that squad - compared with City's and Chelsea's - there was no way they should have won the league.
    RVP was there the following season too when they finished 7th under a different manager.

    Liverpool came close for 2 reasons, they had no European football and they had Suarez on insane form.

    We won't win the league this year without a couple more signings, even with them it will be tough because there are 3 other sides who will compete strongly.
    Stop taking my quotes out of context and making out as if I said RVP was the only factor for them winning the league. If you would have read it you'd know why that last point about RVP under Moyes is void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    I'd agree if you were talking about 2013/14 Ramsey. But last season it was Cazorla that kept us ticking whilst Ramsey was shaky and then picked up an injury and he hasn't been that same player.

    But you're right about the striker position. It's vital we buy someone better.
    It's the same Ramsey, he said it takes him a while to get going when his fitness levels aren't up to his usual insane standards and he said aspects like his decision making suffer as a result. When he's physical best he can run games against any opposition. I really don't think it's deluded to put faith in players like him. Wenger likes the look of this team and with good reason. They just have to be fit enough to build on the momentum. Wilshere returned a week earlier than required to work on his fitness, Wenger spends £10m on a GK that's only realistically going to give him a couple of good years. This team desperately wants to win right now.

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    Tbh RVP was pretty much the only reason they won that title. for the very short 30 months when he was a good footballer, for my money he was as good as Henry. Henry was better for performing over a longer period, but for that period Van Persie was ridiculous. Won't see anything like it for some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
    Sometimes I think Ramsey would get more credit if he was uglier and had a shit haircut. He's our Vidal, probably better in all honesty. And you can't have two of them or else the midfield loses all shape. Ramsey Ozil and Coquelin stay injury free, our midfield isn't the reason we don't win a title. Giroud's shit finishing is, if we're trying to pinpoint the problem. He needs Sanchez to become Suarez so his hard, creative work will be noticed and his shit finishing won't.
    In Welsh Jesus mode Ramsey is easily one of the best 3 players in the league.
    If he returned to that kind of form I'd pick him over Vidal all day, every day.

    But 'credit' goes more than one way. Footballers are human too, if a fan's psychology is affected by ugliness and shit haircuts, so must that of your opponent.

    Ramsey may be our closest analogue but they aren't exactly the same. Sometimes the defining difference between players isn't physical or technical, sometimes it's attitudinal. It's the idea of having 2 Alexis on the pitch at the same time which is so appealing.

    Anyway. Fuck it. Vidal isn't coming and another forward would be my first choice as well.

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    Was recently watching a rerun of the 2007/8 season highlights and it shone through again what a fantastically talented player RVP was, some of his goals in that season with Cesc/Song supplying and even the Russian Owl banging them in were sublime. That really was a talented squad minus a few real mundane crap like Denilson and the Spanish git Almunia in goal. The way RVP could recieve the ball twist and turn defenders inside out with his foot movements and bang them in with either boot was really special. We really missed a trick with not supplementing him with a quality midfield and defence. That team was really good. Of course it was still Wenger in charge so they still wouldnt have won the league anyway. RVP could have been the true successor to Bergkamp, now he`s just a Turkey in Turkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
    Tbh RVP was pretty much the only reason they won that title. for the very short 30 months when he was a good footballer, for my money he was as good as Henry. Henry was better for performing over a longer period, but for that period Van Persie was ridiculous. Won't see anything like it for some time.
    I don't think the Fergie Factor should be ignored though, RvP was still there the following season...but so was Moyes and they didn't just fail to win the title, they were pretty much mid-table.

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