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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    To be fair my comment had nothing to do with Wenger, it's based on my belief that I don't think one team will dominate....City and United will spend too much money to allow Chelsea to dominate. They may retain the title this season, but I don't see them winning it three times in a row.
    Do you have a crystal ball? Chelsea don’t have to win three league titles in a row for dominance. If they get a 3 out of 4 record with the title I’d say that’s pretty dominant.

    Yeah, I know that comment isn’t about Wenger but I’m firing one back because it’s something to consider. If you believe the league is that strong, what chance does Wenger really have here?

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    No that's why it's a prediction, no but like I said I think a team retaining a title will be an outlier rather than a trend in the next ten years....might I be wrong about that?....perhaps....but it's a prediction based on the present and future spending power of at least three PL clubs....Mourinho is not mega manager he won the title last season because he had the best team.

    Again it's not about Wenger, my point is irrespective of who the manager is it would be hard to dominate. That's not a Wenger defence, with him at the club I don't think we can fufill my objective of being part of a big four. What I'm saying is we could have Mourinho and I wouldn't be confident of us getting the jump on the other three time and time again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    No that's why it's a prediction, no but like I said I think a team retaining a title will be an outlier rather than a trend in the next ten years....might I be wrong about that?....perhaps....but it's a prediction based on the present and future spending power of at least three PL clubs....Mourinho is not mega manager he won the title last season because he had the best team.

    Again it's not about Wenger, my point is irrespective of who the manager is it would be hard to dominate. That's not a Wenger defence, with him at the club I don't think we can fufill my objective of being part of a big four. What I'm saying is we could have Mourinho and I wouldn't be confident of us getting the jump on the other three time and time again.
    So Mourinho isn't the best manager in the league with the best team? Whose better if he's not?

    Again, you don't need to win the league 3 times in a row to be dominant. We've never managed back to back titles under Wenger but I'd still say we were at our most dominant during the Highbury years. I'm not expecting an endless streak of league titles under a new manager either but would at least hope if someone had a 6 year run with us we could at least see two titles, the CL and some domestic cups spread over their tenure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    No that's why it's a prediction, no but like I said I think a team retaining a title will be an outlier rather than a trend in the next ten years....might I be wrong about that?....perhaps....but it's a prediction based on the present and future spending power of at least three PL clubs....Mourinho is not mega manager he won the title last season because he had the best team.

    Again it's not about Wenger, my point is irrespective of who the manager is it would be hard to dominate. That's not a Wenger defence, with him at the club I don't think we can fufill my objective of being part of a big four. What I'm saying is we could have Mourinho and I wouldn't be confident of us getting the jump on the other three time and time again.
    Chelsea had the best team because Mourinho was their manager. He saw the weaknesses in his 1st season back & dealt quickly with them ie Fabregas & Costa. This is what Wenger fails to do every year & is currently in the midst of doing it again.

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    No that's fine, I said originally that it depends what context you use the term in.

    He is the best manager in the league but like I say he's not Invincible, for the sake of argument if you said that in a period of ten years he won the league title four times in an evenly spaced out period, City won it three times, United won it twice and we won it once....that for me is not domination....even though it is being the most successful in that period.

    Of course it's all determined by time periods, but I look at 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 when the three aforementioned clubs have won two titles each and that's not as disimilar from how things going the next five-ten seasons.

    And that's where I set out my prediction that it will be difficult for one team to dominate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dein-machine View Post
    Chelsea had the best team because Mourinho was their manager. He saw the weaknesses in his 1st season back & dealt quickly with them ie Fabregas & Costa. This is what Wenger fails to do every year & is currently in the midst of doing it again.
    As you've stated that required signing two players, your opinion of our squad from what I could gather is that we'd have to burn down the forest and re plant the seeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    No that's fine, I said originally that it depends what context you use the term in.

    He is the best manager in the league but like I say he's not Invincible, for the sake of argument if you said that in a period of ten years he won the league title four times in an evenly spaced out period, City won it three times, United won it twice and we won it once....that for me is not domination....even though it is being the most successful in that period.

    Of course it's all determined by time periods, but I look at 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 when the three aforementioned clubs have won two titles each and that's not as disimilar from how things going the next five-ten seasons.

    And that's where I set out my prediction that it will be difficult for one team to dominate
    I agree with you on the domination point but surely we're talking about having a manager that allows us to compete - not dominate.
    I have no doubt that if Wenger had bought a goal-scorer in the winter window of 2013 that had resulted in us winning the league, adding more quality last summer & then defending the title - then City & Chelsea would have probably gone out & bought Messi, Ronaldo, Bale, Benzema, Suarez etc. I agree it would be impossible for us to dominate, even if we let Usmanov buy us, but for a team with our resources it is not impossible to compete with the top teams every year. They can only have so many players in each squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    No that's fine, I said originally that it depends what context you use the term in.

    He is the best manager in the league but like I say he's not Invincible, for the sake of argument if you said that in a period of ten years he won the league title four times in an evenly spaced out period, City won it three times, United won it twice and we won it once....that for me is not domination....even though it is being the most successful in that period.

    Of course it's all determined by time periods, but I look at 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 when the three aforementioned clubs have won two titles each and that's not as disimilar from how things going the next five-ten seasons.

    And that's where I set out my prediction that it will be difficult for one team to dominate
    You can’t base predictions just on spending power and what we’ve seen since 2009. Just look how unstable management positons have been since then. Chelsea and City have switched managers a fair bit and Man Utd had just lost Ronaldo and Fergie was winding down to retirement. He didn’t assemble a better team than that bunch after that period. But saying that, although he never successfully defended a title after 2009, he never went two seasons in a row without the league title.

    Anyway, let’s take the word dominant out of the equation because I don’t think it’s hard to understand what is meant. I return to a more competitive level where we’re winning more titles let’s say.

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    It wasn't a defence of Wenger by saying it would be be difficult to dominate, in fact Wenger was no part of the point I was making.

    By the way what would your view be of someone like Usmanov owning the club?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    As you've stated that required signing two players, your opinion of our squad from what I could gather is that we'd have to burn down the forest and re plant the seeds.
    Not quite. At the end of last season my view was that we needed a quality goal-keeper, CB (Merts is past it), DM (Coq is still young, work in progress + cover for him) & a proven goalscorer.
    I'm pretty sure a new manager would see things fairly similar ( as do most on here - because it obvious ) & would do all he could to address it, a-la Mourinho.
    We have so far bought the goal-keeping part of this with a few weeks to go before the start of the season, a-la Wenger.
    Thats the difference, quite simple but the difference between a real winner & someone who would like to win but only within his rules.

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