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    Jack Wilshere getting 100k a week for being a fucking cripple

    Yet he's on the cover of Mens Health
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    He's clueless when it comes to maximising the effect of what has gone before. And he's a sea of contradictions. We'll go top of a CL group and then blow it by putting out a fucked up team selection, we lose and finish second, we draw Barcelona in the last 16. That's Wenger all over, resting players when they need to be playing, playing them when they have already been run into the ground, sticking with out of form players, dropping form players. Random bumbling as if he knows what the fuck he is doing, when after 10 years of watching it we know for a fact he doesn't have a clue.

    Ox builds us an attacking outlet early in that game. Now either Ox decides to unilaterally change his role without permission, or the fool dives in and slams shut that single avenue we managed to establish. We were toothless after that. A kid at his first match could twig what was needed to build on that start. Wenger of course did the opposite and plunged us back into his horror ideal of tippy-tappy bullshit played out in front of a relaxing WH defence.

    I wish the players would ignore him.
    Ox would've had done that himself. Wenger doesn't direct his players, he rarely leaves his seat and when he does he just stands in the technical area looking frustrated. The problem isn't that Wenger is restricting the team with his instructions, the problem is he is restricting the team by not handing out instructions. He leaves it all up to the players to figure out on the pitch. He is a man who explicitly trusts the intelligence of his players to figure out a way to win. That's why players like Ox and Ramsey don't develop because no-one is guiding their game, pointing out what they should and shouldn't be doing. That's why Ramsey gets in the way of Ozil and Ox is seen charging around defending as a right back, head down and giving the ball away on the edge of the box.

    He put together teams years ago that had that intelligence and understanding because the core players spoke the same language, played together in their national team and became the best in the world in their positions. He bought them in the knowledge that their similarities would help them gel together. This squad doesn't tick many of those boxes, so it needs guidance from an experienced manager in order to sustain a real title challenge. A couple of cup wins isn't enough. We saw how little an effect it had last season in the league. But the players won't get that, so left to their own devices out there, the same naive mistakes will keep rearing their heads.

    When you get old you remain stuck in your ways, Fergie did too but his mentality of freshening up the squad and guiding the players was there from day one. Wenger is still trying to do the same things he used with a new group of players who can't do it that way. That approach was very unique and could only exist in the period it did before the complete globalisation of game took away his advantages. He didn't have to be as tactically astute back then when only us and Utd were leading the league but it showed when we played in Europe every season how behind he was in that regard. We could blow everyone away in he league because it was full of pub teams. Now everyone in the league has money, training facilities, access to the same knowledge as everyone else and so Wenger has become a good manager, rather than the great one he once was. There are plenty of good managers around but that isn't enough to win you the big trophies or to compete for them regularly.
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    Wouldn't even call him a good manager nowadays

    Tactically he's shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munchies View Post
    Wouldn't even call him a good manager nowadays

    Tactically he's shot
    That's the point - he was never tactically any good, it has just been highlighted more over the past decade.

    Of course he's a good manager. He won a couple of cups in succession and never finishes below fourth. So he's good - but no longer good enough to lead the club to big success. Of course, there is an argument to say that he is doing a bad job because of the talent and resources he is wasting at his disposal, that a good manager would make the most of the tools at his disposal. I think that all depends on how you want to look at the argument really.

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    on transfers…
    I would like to think that we are responsible to buy the players and the coaches, not the media. When you’re a pro footballer, you have to face your responsibilities and not always look at something else. Today we have to look at ourselves and think we were not good enough and not to think that these kinds of things are solutions for us. We were not good enough, we were not convincing. And that’s basically it. West Ham played well. Congratulations to them and hopefully we can bounce back quickly. Again, I can only repeat what I already said. If an exceptional solution turns up, we’ll do it. But after a defeat like that, it’s important not always to think we take a solution from outside.
    I wish someone would point out to him that we went almost a decade without a trophy and our recent success boils down to 'outside solutions' and buying better players. This is something he just doesn't get. He's had several cracks at this and he just has to accept he has to buy players to win things. We can see he's not the sharpest guy when it comes to tactics. We go two goals down and his solution is to throw on all our attacking players and that completely disrupt the balance of the team even further. He needs to buy a better striker and decide on his best 11 asap. After our last winning streak it shouldn't be that hard to work out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munchies View Post
    Fuck off, fuck off again, and when you get there fuck right off. Cunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Injury Time View Post
    Fuck off, fuck off again, and when you get there fuck right off. Cunt.
    Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..

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    Here we go again, people kept saying it was different now because we had a bad start last season. Pre-season wins mean nothing, they're the equvalent of warm ups, a few wins and most people think everything is hunky-dory, what we needed this summer was a few quality signings, not just one goalkeeper, without those we'll be fighting for top 4 and nothing else as we always do.

    Verdict: disappointed but not surprised.

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    I didn't think we quite had the squad to seriously...and I mean seriously challenge for the league before the Chelsea game and I'm still not sure we do now but I expected us to be way more with it today than we were.

    A fully up to speed Alexis would have spared our blushes today but it shouldn't be down to him and it was almost a joke him even being in the squad to begin with, but for his sheer relentlessness to play and be involved.

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    A fully up to speed Alexis would have spared our blushes today but it shouldn't be down to him and it was almost a joke him even being in the squad to begin with, but for his sheer relentlessness to play and be involved.
    I found that astonishing too. Wenger claims it is difficult to sign a player because he would have to be top, top quality to give us more than we already have. I actually agree with that, only top tier will do. So if we have this squad full of players it is so hard to replace, why is Alexis on the bench at all if he is supposed to be getting up to match fitness? Was Wenger scared going into this game and needed a fail safe? He was embarrassed having to throw the kitchen sink, at home, against a well organised (look it up Wenger) but ultimately inferior opposition.

    We got unlucky with Cech's performance. I doubt that will ever happen again in his case. But even so, Wenger's inability to set up the team and the tactics to break down a well drilled opposition is still there for all to see. How many years now? Every team is going to lose a few this season, but to be losing for the same old reasons no matter which players are on the pitch. Eventually Wenger will have to stand up and own these recurring problems. Not today though, today he was full of lame excuses.

    Didn't want this to ruin Sunday, but it did. Big time.
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