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Thread: Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit.

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    Seems to me the truth is Wenger doesn't want to spend the money at his disposal, it's not his style, he wants to put faith in the players he has and believes they are good enough to win everything, he's long put faith in his players, even if they've usually failed to repay the trust, problem is he never really learns or adapts. Consequently we see the same cycle over and over again, a logical man would identify a weak area, do his homework and sign someone as quickly as possible, sadly being logical is not something we can accuse Wenger of being guilty of.

    He's a perfect fit for this club in many ways, the board will always be happy if he keeps spending low and then achieves 4th place, it's more money in the bank so why wouldn't they, the fans of course aren't thrilled, but they keep coming anyway and eventually accept that that's the way it is.

    In reality there's no end to this cycle, not until Wenger decides he's had enough, which IMO is probably 5 years away at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Cavani is often played out of position and the central striker position is given to Ibra. Don't get me wrong I think Cavani is massively overrated but to state he isn't an upgrade on Giroud is risible.

    Total nonsense, doing nothing is never a better idea. Who cares if we'd have paid above the odds for the players it's not like we'd be living beyond our means.

    Even if that was a rational argument, why would you not look to bring in a striker on loan if only just to add numbers up front.

    The indecision is not a tactical masterstroke, it's indecision commonplace in a prevaricating manager.
    Totally agree, Cavani may not be the greatest footballer but he will score goals, more goals than the players we have up front.

    Regardless of this though, we should have had a list of at least half a dozen options (if not more) before the summer started, the fact we failed to sign anyone when we had the best part of three months to do so is incompetence of the highest order, there really is no excuse for it. We seem unable to find anyone in January or in the summer, maybe the FA should consider scrapping the windows and let clubs sign players all year again so we have time to find someone.

    To be honest, i'm not even convinced we tried to sign a striker, the only evidence is press nonsense, there was nothing concrete from what I saw, we probably put the rumours out ourselves to make it look like we were active.

    Next summer we'll probably be linked with Neymar and allegedly spend all summer chasing him, even though Barca say he's not for sale and the players says he's happy and doesn't want to leave, no doubt we'll see a pic of him visiting london or wearing a red top with the Arsenal badge superimposed on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Cavani is often played out of position and the central striker position is given to Ibra. Don't get me wrong I think Cavani is massively overrated but to state he isn't an upgrade on Giroud is risible.

    Total nonsense, doing nothing is never a better idea. Who cares if we'd have paid above the odds for the players it's not like we'd be living beyond our means.

    Even if that was a rational argument, why would you not look to bring in a striker on loan if only just to add numbers up front.

    The indecision is not a tactical masterstroke, it's indecision commonplace in a prevaricating manager.
    On one of the Arsenal podcasts, somebody said Pedro wouldnt get into our team ahead of Ox (even though Ox doesnt get in to the team) and that "strikers dont win you titles", its defence.

    People lose their minds when it comes to defending Wenger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Cavani is often played out of position and the central striker position is given to Ibra. Don't get me wrong I think Cavani is massively overrated but to state he isn't an upgrade on Giroud is risible.

    Total nonsense, doing nothing is never a better idea. Who cares if we'd have paid above the odds for the players it's not like we'd be living beyond our means.

    Even if that was a rational argument, why would you not look to bring in a striker on loan if only just to add numbers up front.

    The indecision is not a tactical masterstroke, it's indecision commonplace in a prevaricating manager.
    I've argued that point about Cavani myself. That's the point in the article I don't agree with but I don't know if PSG were willing to sell him. But I can understand why we'd play down Welbeck's injury.

    Also, I wouldn't go as far as what Merson said and pay over the odds for Benzema and Cavani. £75m is crazy talk. That's lunacy. As much as I think those strikers are an up grade on Giroud, I have doubts that we'll a serious difference to our play. What if they struggle just as much against teams that park the bus or the tippy tappy style just doesn't get the best of them like we're seeing with Ozil? It's a tough one. £25m - £30m, no problem but £75m isn't on. If Wenger spent that much and they flopped in a major way leaving little for the new manager to spend, I'd be pissed. All this talk of inflation and money collecting dust in the bank is ridiculous as well. We won't get that money back from Cavani or Benzema. It's possible if players like Ozil, Sanchez, Ox explode with a good run of form but not from players in their late 20s.

    Honestly, I'd rather Wenger gamble on playing Sanchez, Walcott or Campbell through the middle and buy a wide player to fill the gap they've left. Either that or he'd have had to gamble on someone like Benteke or a lesser known striker. Whatever the case, I just hope we don't try the same tactics, formation and squad selection that has failed on numerous occasions.

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    According to Arseblog we did try to get a striker on loan but it didn't work out but he didn't sound that excited about it, so I imagine we would be most unimpressed.

    Perhaps we should have strengthened defensively instead as an injury to Coq and we are screwed more so that if Giroud got injured. Then we can go back to the good old days of 1-0 to the Arsenal. Also I don't think teams really park the bus against us well apart from the Chavs. Liverpool and West Ham did attack as well during the game.

    Wenger knows we will finish top 4 regardless, so is it really worth the effort bringing in a £50m striker which ultimately probably still wont mean we win the league and we will still go through our CL group anyway.

    For us to finish above Chelsea or City they will have to play poorly. Next four games Stoke (h) Chelsea (a) Leicester (a) United (h) 7-9 points would be a pretty good return and as long as we don't lose to Chelsea and United 2nd place could be up for grabs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    I've argued that point about Cavani myself. That's the point in the article I don't agree with but I don't know if PSG were willing to sell him. But I can understand why we'd play down Welbeck's injury.

    Also, I wouldn't go as far as what Merson said and pay over the odds for Benzema and Cavani. £75m is crazy talk. That's lunacy. As much as I think those strikers are an up grade on Giroud, I have doubts that we'll a serious difference to our play. What if they struggle just as much against teams that park the bus or the tippy tappy style just doesn't get the best of them like we're seeing with Ozil? It's a tough one. £25m - £30m, no problem but £75m isn't on. If Wenger spent that much and they flopped in a major way leaving little for the new manager to spend, I'd be pissed. All this talk of inflation and money collecting dust in the bank is ridiculous as well. We won't get that money back from Cavani or Benzema. It's possible if players like Ozil, Sanchez, Ox explode with a good run of form but not from players in their late 20s.

    Honestly, I'd rather Wenger gamble on playing Sanchez, Walcott or Campbell through the middle and buy a wide player to fill the gap they've left. Either that or he'd have had to gamble on someone like Benteke or a lesser known striker. Whatever the case, I just hope we don't try the same tactics, formation and squad selection that has failed on numerous occasions.
    Perhaps, though I'm not sure either Walcott or Campbell can play up front unless it's part of an interchangeable front three. My personal preference would have been to take the risk on someone like Mauro Icardi from Inter who we did enquire about apparently and could potentially play anywhere within the front three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Perhaps, though I'm not sure either Walcott or Campbell can play up front unless it's part of an interchangeable front three. My personal preference would have been to take the risk on someone like Mauro Icardi from Inter who we did enquire about apparently and could potentially play anywhere within the front three.
    What about Sanchez? Touted as a forward in the summer of last season so talk of us needing a striker cooled. But the season kicks off and he's not getting games there.

    http://en.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/329183.html

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    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/...20150904101720

    TO go out shopping and return home empty handed is now described as to ‘Wenger’.

    The Oxford English Dictionary said ‘Wengering’ is a tendency found in stubborn, parsimonious middle aged men who cannot handle the concept of inflation.

    Examples of ‘Wengering’ include: “I went to Marks And Spencer under orders to buy some new socks. But they didn’t have any like the last ones I bought in 1976, so I Wengered, came home and asked my wife to darn old my old pairs instead.”

    Or there is: “My toilet had sprung a leak but the plumber I called was charging £50 an hour. So I Wengered – I had my son try to fix it instead, as part of my youth policy. The toilet flooded the bathroom but the important thing is, I stuck to my philosophy.”

    Or alternatively: “I am a multi-millionaire whose children desperately need new bikes for Christmas. But I went to Halfords only to Wenger when I saw the prices.

    “Imagine the faces of my children when they open their presents on Christmas day, to find their old bikes patched up with sellotape. I will explain to them that now they are mended they are the same as new bikes.

    “In any case, they will be more than adequate for the brief trip we are making to Europe this year.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post


    Arsenal.com actually had a goal of the month winner, with Giroud scooping the award ahead of Own Goal.
    So close to not being able to have a goal of the month award due to a complete lack of goals. But we definitely don't need a striker. Owen Gol has scored twice as many as the rest of the team combined and he cost us precisely zero. Now THAT is value for money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    What about Sanchez? Touted as a forward in the summer of last season so talk of us needing a striker cooled. But the season kicks off and he's not getting games there.

    http://en.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/329183.html
    The problem is whether it's Theo or Sanchez you use in that position you are requiring a period of adaptation that especially with goals not being forthcoming from other areas of the team you are asking for trouble. Don't get me wrong I was also one of those who believed we'd be signing Sanchez as a striker.

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