Leicester City v Arsenal, 26th Sept, 3pm

[Letters]

He's the Anti-Cripps.

That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me.

I don't even think I'm being overly positive. We all have concerns and frustrations. I'm just saying things like, as poor as the opening day was, how it doesn't make a load of sense to judge a season after one game and being called a WUM by people who can't be arsed to form a coherent counter-argument (in that example because there isn't one). Usually after a bit of back and forth people just resort to abuse, subject-changing and WUMming and then accuse me of being a WUM. It's a lazy "you know you are, you said you are".

Meh, whatever. The ZD is so advanced in many on here it seems they almost cross their fingers we lose these days just so they can have another moan. Even if we win they often moan anyway.

[LDG]

That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me.

I don't even think I'm being overly positive. We all have concerns and frustrations. I'm just saying things like, as poor as the opening day was, how it doesn't make a load of sense to judge a season after one game and being called a WUM by people who can't be arsed to form a coherent counter-argument (in that example because there isn't one). Usually after a bit of back and forth people just resort to abuse, subject-changing and WUMming and then accuse me of being a WUM. It's a lazy "you know you are, you said you are".

Meh, whatever. The ZD is so advanced in many on here it seems they almost cross their fingers we lose these days just so they can have another moan. Even if we win they often moan anyway.

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[Letters]

Usually after a bit of back and forth people just resort to abuse, subject-changing and WUMming

QED


Et tu, LDG?

[Niall_Quinn]

Break it down:

I don't even think I'm being overly positive.

Neither do I. You're being overly apologetic, which is a different thing.

We all have concerns and frustrations. I'm just saying things like, as poor as the opening day was, how it doesn't make a load of sense to judge a season after one game...

As people have said over and over and over and over again, they weren't judging it on just one game, they were judging it on a pattern established over a decade. Any fool knows you don't call the result of a season after the first game. But what you can do is recognise when the same problems keep cropping up season after season. Going into the arguments again isn't relevant to the main point here though. It's your careful framing and your insistence on ignoring the context of the opposing argument that pisses people off. You're an intelligent bloke so it's hard to think you can't interpret what people have been saying. You know exactly what they are saying and you also know the balance of evidence is firmly against your position, so you throw all this out and instead create a childishly simple position for your opponent which you then roll your eyes at. Oh what poor deluded, reactionary fools they are. Imagine them thinking the season is over after just one game. And look, we beat Leicester - so they are WRONG! Ha ha ha.

...and being called a WUM by people who can't be arsed to form a coherent counter-argument (in that example because there isn't one).

And here's the evidence. The reason your opponents don't have a coherent argument is because you ignore it. But better yet, you deny the counter argument can even exist. Well it's not so hard to be right all the time when the contrary view is disqualified by default.

Usually after a bit of back and forth people just resort to abuse, subject-changing and WUMming and then accuse me of being a WUM.

Yes, people get frustrated with your unwillingness to engage in any sort of meaningful debate. And they get angry when you tell them what they think and ignore what they say. Is it therefore so difficult to understand why they assume you are a WUM? In a way it's a compliment. They are saying, wow, the guy can't really be that dumb and disagreeable, he must be doing this on purpose.

It's a lazy "you know you are, you said you are".

Yes - very lazy.

[Power n Glory]

[Globalgunner]

I dont know why you people bother. Letters is the ultimate troll. Good result people feeling good anf focusing on the next game and he pops up to stir things up. Good result: give the manager a new contract, bad result: you people are bedwetters. Deprive him of Oxygen chaps, fire just thrives on it.
Another 5 years of coming 4th and he`d still see no problem.

[Letters]

And that is a perfect example of what I'm talking about
No attempt to engage with anything I've said. Lazy straw man argument misrepresenting my views and stating what I think and then, the cherry on top, masking all this by claiming I'm the "troll"

[Xhaka Can’t]

There is a lot of truth in NQ's post.



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[Letters]

As people have said over and over and over and over again, they weren't judging it on just one game, they were judging it on a pattern established over a decade.

You have said that over and over again and I have responded over and over again as to why I see glimmers of hope that those patterns are changing. I'm not going to list those things again. You might not agree with me and that's fine. But don't say I've ignored or failed to understand the point, I've addressed it repeatedly.
If we're just going by the patterns of previous seasons then one of them has been a failure to maintain a consistent challenge. There have been seasons where we've gone off like a train only to collapse at the business end. So even if we'd won every game so far if you believe the patterns are just going to repeat then there would be no reason for optimism anyway. If the 'balance of evidence' is the last 10 years then that balance exists whatever results are so far this season.

Any fool knows you don't call the result of a season after the first game. But what you can do is recognise when the same problems keep cropping up season after season.

OK, but again you can't sensibly assess that after one game or even after 7. The West Ham game did burst the bubble of positivity which had been built up in the tail end of last season and in pre-season but some of the reactions on here were ridiculous over-reactions. Last season we lost any chance of the title before we really got going. This season the start has been somewhat stuttering but results have been OK. We're in touch. No-one has gone off like a train - even City's has now derailed somewhat. IMO we're good enough to mount a challenge, if we stay in touch then I trust this lot more than I would have a few years ago to finish the job. If we fail to mount a challenge this year then I agree Wenger should go.

create a childishly simple position for your opponent which you then roll your eyes at

I can't quite believe you've said that when that is EXACTLY what a lot of people have done to me. Globalgunner has done it just a few posts above.
My position is caricatured constantly - I think Wenger can do no wrong, we could lose 10-0 to Chelsea and I'd still defend Wenger (that's pretty much a direct quote from a PnG post) and
I've said Wenger should be sacked if we don't challenge but I'll assess that at the end of the season, not the start (another opinion which is obvious but has been repeatedly lampooned - mostly by you).

Yes, people get frustrated with your unwillingness to engage in any sort of meaningful debate.

What?! Most of my attempts to do so are met by abuse and WUMming.

And they get angry when you tell them what they think and ignore what they say.

Which is exactly what Globalgunner has done a few posts above and what has happened to me repeatedly.

Is it therefore so difficult to understand why they assume you are a WUM?

Well, given my comments above - yes. All those accusations you make are EXACTLY what others have done repeatedly to me. But I'm the one being accused of WUMming

[Syn]

And while everyone's chucking their 2p in, I'll say Letters is a WUM. But a WUM through the unusual medium of tedious, sheer balance. He's not overly positive or negative. He winds up patience-testing losers that need Arsenal to win the league to feel good about their shit lives. He has my blessing.