Arsenal v Manchester United, 4th Oct, 4pm, SS1

[Kano]

O...K. But isn't that why a win vs Utd would be a positive sign?

You previously stated that earlier in the thread that it was the Leicester's etc we used to lose to? So it can't be both, otherwise we'd be relegation fodder. One victory by itself isn't an indicator. Winning away at City last season wasn't an indicator because we failed miserably against the rest of the good teams in the league. An indication would be beating those around us and picking up a couple of top four wins at the very least. Of course, we haven't played any top 8 teams yet but our record against them is going to tell us something, not just one game.

[Letters]

I actually think the debate has got a bit better recently. The "longevity" thread has some good posts in it.

[Syn]

You need to knock off the drinking.

I'm not drinking. You need to realise your limitations.

[Kano]

Well, whatever. This place has obviously turned into a cesspool where people vent about their personal frustrations by blaming their favourite sports team. Haven't seen a worthwhile debate in here for ages.

I think your stance is worse. Picking at people - without naming them - and posting sad, sporadic posts from up high about other posters. If you have an opposing opinion about Arsenal, come out and say it. Otherwise your current posts are looking pretty pathetic tbh. You used to be made of better stuff. At least we're trying to construct arguments - whether you agree with them or not - about the problems as we perceive them. You are just in some strange limbo criticising others that criticise. Pretty feeble Syn.

[Letters]

You previously stated that earlier in the thread that it was the Leicester's etc we used to lose to?

I think, if I'm thinking of the post you're thinking of, I was talking about the scenario where our rivals had dropped points and we had a chance, later in the day or weekend, to capitalize. The opposition isn't that relevant. The perception is that it's those games where there's "pressure" and we "always" mess it up.

And I've agreed over and over that one game isn't the be all and end all, but it would be a good sign. Obviously we will have many other games of this ilk over the season, just winning one isn't good enough.

[Power n Glory]

Actually for most of them it's:
loss = poor tactics, Wenger's a ****
win = poor tactics but we got away with it, we won't next time, Wenger's a ****

Don't judge by your own standards.

Taking off our only DM and going all out attack when a team is looking for a counter is never a good idea. Playing Ramsey on the wing is another bad idea.

We could employ bad tactics and win with individual brilliance. That's true. But one of the best tactical games I've seen from us is where we pressed Chelsea high up the pitch and suffocated them. It was a great team performance and win. There is a difference.

[Power n Glory]

I'm not drinking. You need to realise your limitations.

Then you're just a very angry person. Relax. Seems like your the only one taking out personal frustrations.

[Syn]

I think your stance is worse. Picking at people - without naming them - and posting sad, sporadic posts from up high about other posters. If you have an opposing opinion about Arsenal, come out and say it. Otherwise your current posts are looking pretty pathetic tbh. You used to be made of better stuff. At least we're trying to construct arguments - whether you agree with them or not - about the problems as we perceive them. You are just in some strange limbo criticising others that criticise. Pretty feeble Syn.

what I'm doing is not so dissimilar to what you are doing. I have the added advantage of perspective. If you feel I'm too aggressive it's probably because you take it personally, and that's usually because there's more than a hint of truth. Ill tell you what's really pathetic - pretending you know about everything that goes on with your favourite sports team and then feeling aggrieved when they don't match your arbitrary standards. But you're right only in the sense that I don't need to be pointing it out 'sporadically'.

[Niall_Quinn]

A lot of you people talk about things you're not qualified to talk about. Like you have a flying fuck about what the right tactics or subs are. For you idiots, it's win = good tactics, loss = bad tactics. Unless it's fucking obvious there was an external factor (like V Chelsea). I don't mind you guys moaning about Arsenal because you so desperately need them to win, but let's be realistic. You're not in a position to get technical.

Wenger's record in the CL is a disgrace and it doesn't take any sort of an expert to figure out his record so far this year is played 2, fucked up 2. Discuss.

Since when do people need to be qualified to have an opinion on anything? The thing some people need to realise is this is a discussion forum, designed for people to shoot the breeze. National policy will not be made on the back of what is discussed here, indeed fuck all will change at Arsenal based on the content of these threads. If you want to complain about unqualified people having their say then start campaigning to restrict the vote. Real shit happens when morons vote, that's something to be pissed off about. As for the technical aspects, even a monkey can figure shit out if he sees it repeated over and over. Everyone knows more goes on behind the scenes of a football club and like any other profession there are technical and experience based aspects of the job that won't be apparent to the casual observer. Take engineering, if the wing falls off your plane you may just have enough time to figure out somebody fucked up. It wouldn't be unreasonable to suggest planes where the wings don't fall off is a good idea, even though the technical details escape you.

And anyway, you're onto a loser trying to out-moan me or relegate me into second place in the grumpiness race, so give it up.

[Kano]

what I'm doing is not so dissimilar to what you are doing. I have the added advantage of perspective. If you feel I'm too aggressive it's probably because you take it personally, and that's usually because there's more than a hint of truth. Ill tell you what's really pathetic - pretending you know about everything that goes on with your favourite sports team and then feeling aggrieved when they don't match your arbitrary standards. But you're right only in the sense that I don't need to be pointing it out.

Far from aggressive, more hypocritical given you were on here a month ago in the Debate section having a go at people for being too passionate. Sorry to tell you Syn, but your use of language illustrates exactly the same thing. You're hardly the cold-hearted Terminator poster you may believe yourself to be. There's nothing to take personally, we're just talking about football after all but I find your position very weird. You obviously read a lot of the forum to form your opinion of the place, you pop on occasionally to remind everyone that you are better than them and the arguments are useless but I don't see the point? Why not stop reading if you no longer have a vested interest in the place? Now that's a shit argument to use but I am putting it back to you, as I remember you suggested we do the same instead of complaining about the BLiTW. How do I remember these specific posts? Because you hardly post and I look out for your words because you used to be a good contributor to this site. I'm not sure what you want to achieve with your current method of posting, to insult people or change their minds? In the context of the forum alone you might be doing the former but if it's the latter, then I'm pretty sure no-one is going to be convinced using your current style. This place is just for kicks, no-one takes it out on their wife or kids, it's a place to release good and bad times, to associate with other fans because we've been priced out of the stadiums. Who cares if we're qualified or not, why does that matter? I'm pretty sure we're not being assessed by The FA for our badges.