Arsenal v Manchester United, 4th Oct, 4pm, SS1

[Syn]

Wenger's record in the CL is a disgrace and it doesn't take any sort of an expert to figure out his record so far this year is played 2, fucked up 2. Discuss.

Since when do people need to be qualified to have an opinion on anything? The thing some people need to realise is this is a discussion forum, designed for people to shoot the breeze. National policy will not be made on the back of what is discussed here, indeed fuck all will change at Arsenal based on the content of these threads. If you want to complain about unqualified people having their say then start campaigning to restrict the vote. Real shit happens when morons vote, that's something to be pissed off about. As for the technical aspects, even a monkey can figure shit out if he sees it repeated over and over. Everyone knows more goes on behind the scenes of a football club and like any other profession there are technical and experience based aspects of the job that won't be apparent to the casual observer. Take engineering, if the wing falls off your plane you may just have enough time to figure out somebody fucked up. It wouldn't be unreasonable to suggest planes where the wings don't fall off is a good idea, even though the technical details escape you.

And anyway, you're onto a loser trying to out-moan me or relegate me into second place in the grumpiness race, so give it up.

You do need to be qualified to give a worthwhile opinion. Of course you do. I don't pretend we can actually make a difference to what goes on at the club. But there's a balance here that we're not even close to hitting. You'd roll your eyes at an idiot trying to blag his way through rocket science and that's exactly what I'm doing here. Nothing less, nothing more.

Opinions and discussions can exist about the state of your favourite sports team, but while knowing there are unknowns. This is Wenger's biggest gripe - that everyone's an expert. Maybe we don't need to have made 30,000 substitutions to know when he made one that didn't pay off. But when judging what's right and what's disgraceful, a bit of tact wouldn't go a miss. Here everyone's an expert about things they don't have a clue about and there's no grey area. Well, Letters is in that grey area and he's constantly attacked for it.

[Power n Glory]

You do need to be qualified to give a worthwhile opinion. Of course you do. I don't pretend we can actually make a difference to what goes on at the club. But there's a balance here that we're not even close to hitting. You'd roll your eyes at an idiot trying to blag his way through rocket science and that's exactly what I'm doing here. Nothing less, nothing more.

Opinions and discussions can exist about the state of your favourite sports team, but while knowing there are unknowns. This is Wenger's biggest gripe - that everyone's an expert. Maybe we don't need to have made 30,000 substitutions to know when he made one that didn't pay off. But when judging what's right and what's disgraceful, a bit of tact wouldn't go a miss. Here everyone's an expert about things they don't have a clue about and there's no grey area. Well, Letters is in that grey area and he's constantly attacked for it.

Letter's doesn't discuss tactics or even offer a counter argument that suggests our opinion on his tactics are wrong.

You're entitled to your opinion but I doubt anyone will pay attention. It just the kills discussion. You don't have to be qualified for a worthwhile opinion.

[Letters]

I don't discuss tactics because I don't pretend to be an expert on them and the level of debate on here with regard to tactics tends to be "Arteta is shit".

And for the last time. It's "Letters". Plural. Not "Letter's", belonging to Letter

[Power n Glory]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...er-arsenal-pub

Wenger on growing up above a pub.

"It is not often that a boy of five or six is always living with adults in a little village. I learned about tactics and selection from the people talking about football in the pub – who plays on the left wing and who should be in the team."

Maybe this explains the tactical choices. Or maybe people have valid opinions and don't need to be experts.

[Kano]

Tbh, we're all pretending that we know what we're talking about. Even Syn, way up there. Our understanding only extends as far as we allow it to. Otherwise we wouldn't have a personal opinion at all. Even if you exist in the grey area. You go to a game, you have a couple of drinks after, pumped up from a loss or defeat and you vent one way or the other. If you don't drink you're still debating shit on the way home. That opinion remains valid with the context of the situation. Just as it does here. You have just taken part in an emotional event - even as a spectator - and there is every reason to let that out. Even if you sit at home your passion as a supporter means that connection cannot be avoided. And thank God for that. Sport would be even worse without that. And no, that doesn't include personal insults being traded between each other or toward people like Wenger.

[Power n Glory]

I don't discuss tactics because I don't pretend to be an expert on them and the level of debate on here with regard to tactics tends to be "Arteta is shit".

And for the last time. It's "Letters". Plural. Not "Letter's", belonging to Letter

The level of debate is higher than that. Give GW a little more credit than that. It could start with a flippant comment about a player but in most cases it doesn't stop there. You know this. You're on here often enough.

[Marc Overmars]

You do need to be qualified to give a worthwhile opinion. Of course you do. I don't pretend we can actually make a difference to what goes on at the club. But there's a balance here that we're not even close to hitting. You'd roll your eyes at an idiot trying to blag his way through rocket science and that's exactly what I'm doing here. Nothing less, nothing more.

Opinions and discussions can exist about the state of your favourite sports team, but while knowing there are unknowns. This is Wenger's biggest gripe - that everyone's an expert. Maybe we don't need to have made 30,000 substitutions to know when he made one that didn't pay off. But when judging what's right and what's disgraceful, a bit of tact wouldn't go a miss. Here everyone's an expert about things they don't have a clue about and there's no grey area. Well, Letters is in that grey area and he's constantly attacked for it.

Come on Syn, you don't need to be qualified to talk about the game, TV pundits are ridiculed on here for chatting shit and they're a hell of a lot more qualified than any of us.

Yes sometimes people are irrational and make pointless posts and they're rightly called up on it, and you're right sometimes a bit of tact wouldn't go a miss, but you seem to have a problem with these guys talking about ways they think we could improve as a team which is odd. Also, you should to cut out these "Arsenal have ruined our lives" jibes, it's more pointless than any inane discussion about tactics and our chances of success. You don't know anyone personally (at least I presume you don't) so I don't understand what makes you think people are taking out their personal frustrations on the team, you seem to use that belief to dismiss everything said on here now. No one on here is a proclaimed expert, there's really no need to take everything said as a matter of fact. You're getting yourself worked up for no reason.

Unless you're one of those melts from Arsenal Fan TV, then I don't really think Arsenal plays that big a role in any of our lives to affect it so badly.

[AFC Leveller]

Today's press conference:

Journo: have you decided who will play in goal on sunday?

Wenger: I think you lack a little bit of creativity in the press

[Power n Glory]

Today's press conference:

Journo: have you decided who will play in goal on sunday?

Wenger: I think you lack a little bit of creativity in the press

Such a dumb question. He's right about that one.

[Letters]

The level of debate is higher than that. Give GW a little more credit than that. It could start with a flippant comment about a player but in most cases it doesn't stop there. You know this. You're on here often enough.

I'm being a bit flippant and ok yes, it is a bit higher than that, but not much in most instances.