No doubt he lost a lot of his lustre after the Champions League final
I think he'd be a good fit for Liverpool, can imagine the fans would adore him
No doubt he lost a lot of his lustre after the Champions League final
I think he'd be a good fit for Liverpool, can imagine the fans would adore him
I'm not suggesting he's suddenly a bad manager btw, if he does go to Liverpool it'll be interesting to see how he does. But I do find it interesting how lowly some on here rate Wenger and how highly by contrast they still rate Klopp despite last season's car crash. Again, I can't even begin to imagine the reactions on here if we ever had a season anywhere near as bad as Dortmund did last year.
With the added qualification of how it stacked up against their history. Then the smug smilie. No need for those two things, except to wum. As per the first post.
We both know it and your pointless argument against Klopp is just to stoke some fires. You're doing stellar work with Wenger so don't undermine yourself with pub wumming like this. You're better than that.
The qualification is completely relevant to how Wenger performed before he came to us which is what you asked.
I'm not arguing against Klopp, I'm not arguing anything. I'm just pointing out that Wenger is getting a ridiculous amount of stick right now despite the last couple of seasons being a reasonable success. This season our CL campaign has been a fiasco but I've no complaints about the PL results - but for some cheating by the ref at Stamford Brisge we could be top right now. Even despite that we're 2nd and have just got a very good result against a side who have been a bogey side for us.
Compare and contrast with how Klopp is regarded on here. He is clearly a very good manager but last season was a car crash for him. Wenger has never had a season like that. I find it strange that it doesn't seem to have dented anyone's opinion of him.
I think Klopp would be a good fit for them and Rafael Honingstein confirmed They've been in for him twice before.
Stones, Barkley, Benteke, Lukaku, Sissoko, Wijnaldum. 4 out of that lot would probably be my pick for outfield players.
You can’t compare and contrast it with Wenger because Klopp had one exceptionally bad season after a period of dominance. It’s taken a very long time for fans to really lose patience with Wenger. It went from blaming the players, to blaming the Board and now nearly a decade later the blame is going straight on Wenger. If Wenger had a season like Klopp’s just after the Invincible season I doubt people would really be going this hard on him because it’s a blip in an otherwise successful stint with us. Unfortunately for us, we can’t say we’ve had a blip. It’s somehow ended up looking like the norm.Originally Posted by Letters
Hmm. That's a fair point although just checking his record, he did win them the league twice in a row but that was a few years ago.
After that they finished 2nd twice - miles behind Bayern both times - before last season's debacle. In one of those years they did get to the CL Final, but lost.
Unless I'm missing something it seems he didn't win them a major trophy for the last 3 seasons and the last of those was very poor.
I don't think he's suddenly a bad manager but he didn't have a long, sustained period of success with Dortmund.
Again, if you recall correctly, it's taken a very long time for people to criticise Wenger and want him out. How long did we go without a major trophy? We lost 3 finals in the process and had seasons where we came close to finishing outside the top 4. It's not the same by a long distance. Dortmund's players were poached by Bayern and there hasn't been time for Klopp to rebuild..
Well this is it, Klopp managed to not only win two titles up against Bayern - a team better than anyone in our league and one of the best in the world - and establish Dortmund as a team feared across Europe. All done on a far smaller budget than the big super clubs and all the while having their two best players - and two of the worlds best in their positions - taken from them by their direct competitor. Quite an achievement. You definitely can't compare to Wenger as nobody bloody knew a thing about the man when he arrived. Zero expectations. Very easy to understand why Klopp will have his pick of clubs when he decides to come back. Careful you don't get pubbed up by Letters here, we are due a quiet two weeks with the internationals coming and fires have to be stoked somewhere.
I'll take that warning.
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