What are you seeing there? It's really not that obvious from that line up of players.Originally Posted by Globalgunner
What are you seeing there? It's really not that obvious from that line up of players.
Football fans with our lovable biases.
Just ask the fan of any other club which bunch they would choose and you will get your answer.
Basically what you are saying is City spent 200m and we spent 80m for the same thing. It is not for nothing that we were crying out for a striker in July. If we had the City lineup, would anyone still be asking for a striker? Be real. Only Sanchez is as good as what City have up front.
I thought we were comparing starting XIs or squads, not just part of them. Overall I don't think there's much in it.
No, I didn't say that. I said it's not clear cut.
Especially if we’re talking about the front line and swapping them over. Giroud has a more consistent strike record over Bony in the Prem. Both are 20+ strikers but I’ve only seen Bony score that much once in the Prem. I’d prefer Bony but it’s debatable not clear cut. Walcott has a more consistent record of goals over Sterling and De Bruyne. I’d say they are both technically more skilled than Walcott on the ball but I don’t know about off the ball and getting goals. So if we’re talking whose going to get more goals, I really don’t think it’s clear cut. Welbeck isn’t worth comparing. His goal contribution is pathetic.
I’m not so certain about City’s strike force without Sergio. If we’d swapped, I’d still think we’d need extra even though I think they have talented players.
When it comes to opinions nothing is clear cut. We discuss to compare opinions
Walcott doesnt score goals, hasnt done consistently for 3 seasons now. No point arguing that he has been injured. You cant argue that a knife is sharp, if you cant find where you left it. when he plays he is more miss than hit.
Giroud is 1 dimensional he has no movement. Bony as he showed in Swansea is everything Giroud is and more, he can actually do more than stand in 1 position.
Welbeck is well I dont know what to say.
Squads are relative but our keeper is slightly better than theirs,
Our backlines are comaparable but they have moe depth in CB than us
Midfield they have the 2 Fernandos as DM, we have only Coq
Creatively we have Cazorla and Ozil, while they have Yaya and Silva.
It is not for nothing that most pundits rank them favourites over us.
It may not be clear cut to you but it is pretty obvious to me
Anything however is possible in football
I wouldn't take Bony over Giroud, not if we now consider Theo to be our first choice. Giroud is a better alternative to Bony. The question is, is Theo better than Giroud and Bony? Jury is out. He's better at scaring defenders, but we need to see some firepower from him now. Aguero is better than all of them rolled together. Don't think DeBruyne is a striker at all really. Neither is Alexis.
Bias or not, I'd take our first eleven over the gypos. I think our lot have a better attitude to the game, less cynicism, more football. Apart from Aguero, one of my favourite players and has a superb attitude and if found a genie lamp he'd be playing for us up top with Alexis, Ozil and Theo behind. Can you imagine it?
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The problem with you is the way you see the negative in our own squad but look at the clear green grass in other squads without the facts. The hate for Walcott is blinding sometimes. He has scored consistently since being back from injury . That’s a fact and not opinion. As much as I say Giroud is a limited striker, he has had 3 seasons for us where he’s scored goals for us. Not a great deal but I can’t look at Bony’s one season for Swansea and say it’s clear swap. It was just one season. Sterling doesn’t have a great scoring record. Neither does De Bruyne. Tally up the goal records and it’s not a huge margin.
Walcott had a 1 in 2 ratio before his injury, the last 2 seasons he had a poorer ratio but you can't just ignore the injury as irrelevant - unless the point is he's always going to have injury problems and thus won't be effective a la Diaby but it's a bit early to write him off right now IMO. This year his ratio is about 1 in 2 so far which is perfectly respectable. He's no Aguero but not many players are, if he keeps a 1 in 2 ratio this season he'll be a real asset.
Say we swapped Giroud or Welbeck for Bony. How would you feel about our strikeforce?
His performance on Tuesday was a big setback. He has to do a lot more than that if he wants to pin down the role. As things stand, we still need a striker come January or the summer. Theo has been showing signs he's stepping up but he's not there yet and surely has a limited time to prove his credentials. The 1 in 2 ratio is entirely misleading. It appears to show consistency but the real measure is whether he can bag 20+ goals over a campaign on a consistent basis. If he can do that he's a viable option. And if he can do it when it really matters then he's a good option. Can't see it myself. There are upsides to his game no doubt, but the downside are there too and they are a real issue.
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