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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I don't think 'way' better or 'quite a few' of them. I quite like what Koeman is doing at Southampton. I wouldn't mind him.
    Quite a few would be about 5-6 of them. Way better, absolutely yes. We can agree to disagree of course..
    Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..

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    I believe our transfer budgets are restricted somewhat by the research into cryogenic suspension so that when Wenger dies we can freeze him and then revive him when medical science allows so he can resume his duties.
    They'll just hire a couple of ex-Politburo to wheel him around and wave his arms.

    Why doesn't he commit to leaving in 2017? Everyone could live with that if we knew there was an end in sight and everyone would be easier on him too. It's the resentment that rises from him deciding every damn thing and communicating nothing that is going to make him despised rather than idolised by the time he leaves. He'd have legend status if he'd left 5 years ago. He'd still have a (hmmmm, just about) fondly remembered legacy if he goes in 2017. Stay beyond that though, I don't think it will be pretty. And if the board gets the embalming fluid out then all hell will break loose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I believe our transfer budgets are restricted somewhat by the research into cryogenic suspension so that when Wenger dies we can freeze him and then revive him when medical science allows so he can resume his duties.
    ...as long as they don't use our current medical staff - if they do, then we'll be OK because they'll f*ck up the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fakeyank View Post
    Quite a few would be about 5-6 of them. Way better, absolutely yes. We can agree to disagree of course..
    Way better is such a vague and woolly term I'm not sure what we'd be disagreeing about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Way better is such a vague and woolly term I'm not sure what we'd be disagreeing about.
    About the fact that there are much better managers than wenger. Unless you agree that there are quite a few better managers than AW.. then we are all in agreement.
    Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    That's the problem we have. An owner who gave a shit about football would have ditched Wenger and grabbed Klopp. But we don't have an owner like that so Jesus Christ himself could be on the market and it wouldn't raise an eyebrow with our lot. We're stuck with Wenger until 2017, but much more likely 2020. And then they'll lobby like fuck to keep him after that.
    Hand on heart can you name an owner that gives a shit about football in the top flight in any country? I'm no defender of our owners but I know you are realistic enough to realise that any current or future owner of our club is going to have a crooked vision. Let's look to a future beyond Wenger for a moment, still under the control of our current bent owners. Wouldn't they just look for someone who could deliver something similar? Or, let's envisage that Kroenke and co sell out to someone else. We know that realistically the only other type of owner is going to follow the method set in stone by Chelsea or City. Utopia or the truth exists in the grey areas, in between the lines, a place we rarely get to see revealed because of the imbalance of our nature. Once upon a time we were too small, then we became too big. Wenger or no Kroenke we've long since passed beyond the point of no return. The only thing left to decide is what you want to get back from it.

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    The top managers are self motivated so no worries about that. There is no way. Klopp, Ancellotti,Guardiola or Simeone would come to Arsenal and simply pass the time by doing the minimum possible. Most would resign immediately hearing the words " top 4 trophy". Its a shame really as many of us though we were heading into a new era when Kroenke took over. In hindsight, we would have fared better under the fat geezer from Uzbek.

    To my mind, Arsene is not under any instructions not to spend. He simply prefers not to do it. It is his get out of jail card every season we fail again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    The top managers are self motivated so no worries about that. There is no way. Klopp, Ancellotti,Guardiola or Simeone would come to Arsenal and simply pass the time by doing the minimum possible. Most would resign immediately hearing the words " top 4 trophy". Its a shame really as many of us though we were heading into a new era when Kroenke took over. In hindsight, we would have fared better under the fat geezer from Uzbek.

    To my mind, Arsene is not under any instructions not to spend. He simply prefers not to do it. It is his get out of jail card every season we fail again.
    Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    Hand on heart can you name an owner that gives a shit about football in the top flight in any country? I'm no defender of our owners but I know you are realistic enough to realise that any current or future owner of our club is going to have a crooked vision. Let's look to a future beyond Wenger for a moment, still under the control of our current bent owners. Wouldn't they just look for someone who could deliver something similar? Or, let's envisage that Kroenke and co sell out to someone else. We know that realistically the only other type of owner is going to follow the method set in stone by Chelsea or City. Utopia or the truth exists in the grey areas, in between the lines, a place we rarely get to see revealed because of the imbalance of our nature. Once upon a time we were too small, then we became too big. Wenger or no Kroenke we've long since passed beyond the point of no return. The only thing left to decide is what you want to get back from it.
    That's the nature of any business. The owners/producer provides the funds and facilities, the rest is in the managers hands. From football to Hollywood....I don't think we'll get away from the typical commercial model. The drive and motivation to be the best or produce the best should come from the manager. Film industry may not be the best example, but there are plenty of stories where a director has a very small buget but works a minor miracle to get the very best performance from what he has and wins. Or even on the other scale where directors walk off set because the producer wants to compromise the art and vision of the director.

    Just thinking of Arsenal's situation, if the Board only care about turning a profit and keeping things ticking, it would be near impossible to find someone like Wenger. No top flight manager would settle or be satisfied with CL spots and the odd domestic trophy. They'd have to shoot lower and give someone young the opportunity or someone totally unqualified like a Moyes. But even in those scenarios, I can't see either type being satisfied with such small gains for long. They's soon have the taste and hunger for success. Most managers do. I just don't know why Wenger hasn't got it or why he has tolerated the lack of success. Well, that's a lie. With the way he justifies his record, I think he's defined his own terms of what success means and is quite decisional. That's the only way I can explain. I just can't see another manager following this pattern regardless of who the Board appoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    The top managers are self motivated so no worries about that. There is no way. Klopp, Ancellotti,Guardiola or Simeone would come to Arsenal and simply pass the time by doing the minimum possible. Most would resign immediately hearing the words " top 4 trophy". Its a shame really as many of us though we were heading into a new era when Kroenke took over. In hindsight, we would have fared better under the fat geezer from Uzbek.

    To my mind, Arsene is not under any instructions not to spend. He simply prefers not to do it. It is his get out of jail card every season we fail again.

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