Perspective People

[Özim]

Wenger has had his chance now, there's too much wrong about his methods and he's not the man for us going forward. Tactically he's inept, he's been found out time and time again when we've had key games at key times, the injuries are just ridiculous and have been for as long as I remember and still nothing seems to be done about it (it's like we're in denial and just thinK it's bad luck), his transfer policy is heavily flawed, time and time again he just won't do the necessary to make us genuine challengers for the title.

On top of that there's the awful football we play, yes 1% of the time when it comes off it can be good but the rest of the time it's dull and repetitive, as far as our form is concerned we never seem to play like a team on top form, more often than not we're scraping wins rather than winning games at a canter with great performances.

I don't seem him winning anything major and don't see him taking us to the next level, he refues to adapt and change and his methodology is now outdated, yes he won the FA cup which is great but at the end of the day winning that competition isn't the hardest as you can easily get favourable draws and avoid the best teams. He's had 20 years to succeed in the CL and all he's managed in that time is one final, this is despite having one of the best teams in history at one stage, nowadays we jsut seem to make up the numbers every season.

So let's just thank him for what he's done shall we and then move him on so we can finally look forward to something different, probably more exciting and more unpredictable, perhaps a new era where we can finally realise the potential of the club and not just settle for being 3rd/4th place runners up every season, which if not for the CL cash cow which shouldn't ever exist IMO (not for teams other than the winners, or the winners and runners up at the very most) would be meaningless after the 1st 1-2 times of reaching that position.

[Özim]

That's definitely the earliest we are going to see him leave. Fans can call out for him to be sacked but that will never happen. 2017 is the earliest we'll see the change in terms of manager, no matter what happens this season.

He'll probably end up staying beyond that if people continue to take such a relaxed attitude, so it could be 2019-2020 and beyond, is that what people really want?

The board and owner I'm pretty sure can't wait to give him a new contract, he's everything a club who are not overly concerned about winning but very concerned about the size of profits would want.

[Power n Glory]

Hasn't this conversation been done to death in all the other threads. Don't agree with some of the vitriol Wenger has faced (as I'm sure many don't), but we have under achieved and under performed in the league over the last few seasons. With the same mistakes being made over and over. Its going ok at the moment, but I'm still unconvinced we've really turned a corner. He's not getting sacked but I'd like to see him step down at the end of this contract, hopefully with another league title under his belt.

It's been done to death. We're on the same page with that post. Would like to see him leave with one last league title.

[Kano]

He'll probably end up staying beyond that if people continue to take such a relaxed attitude, so it could be 2019-2020 and beyond.

And what are you actively going to do outside of posting on a forum, something that could help develop things in the way you want them to?

[Özim]

And what are you actively going to do outside of posting on a forum, something that could help develop things in the way you want them to?

I'm not doing much, but I don't swell the clubs coughers either.

In reality the only thing that will change things is people making their feelings clear at games and at any time they are able to speak up, that won't happen of course, but nobody can be surprised if he continues well beyond his contract, things seem to be good for him right now and so a new contract may find itself to a table near him soon. When it goes wrong this season and it will IMO, nothing will change, he's position is as secure as you will ever find at any club in the world.

[Kano]

Sure but all very easy to say from the safety of home. The mentality of the paying fan is fundamentally different to your own.

[Özim]

You're probably right and that's why I really don't see an end to his reign in the near future, which if you want to see the club progress isn't good news.

He does what he does well, but we won't be anything but a 2nd tier club until the day he goes, not financially perhaps but certainly on the pitch.

[Power n Glory]

Sure but all very easy to say from the safety of home. The mentality of the paying fan is fundamentally different to your own.

You're making Zim's point.

[Letters]

In reality the only thing that will change things is people making their feelings clear at games and at any time they are able to speak up, that won't happen of course.

Well no, because our home record is generally very good. You're going to look pretty stupid starting Wenger Out chants when we're winning a game and close to the top of the league.
The only way people can make a real difference is to stop supporting the club financially.
Trouble is, plenty of people are queueing up to take their place.

His position is secure because he has always delivered what the board were expecting. He's never had a car crash season like Klopp did last year or Mourinho did this.

[Niall_Quinn]

Of course Wenger is going to stay until 2017 - and well beyond that if the board gets its wish. Wenger delivers big bucks for the rich guys and he's the best at doing it. The rich guys invest ZERO or as close to it as makes no odds (compared to the millions or even billions invested by owners at other clubs) and the revenues and share price just keep on rising and now there are dividends too for "invaluable" services rendered! Come on, that's the free lunch everybody agrees can never be had. Wenger has achieved the impossible, he's simply the best at what he does.

In terms of football, well not much has happened but as has already been pointed out, it would be unreasonable to criticise a manager for under-performing on the pitch for a decade when over the same period one board has walked away with half a billion in their wallets and the next can see an even bigger pay day materialising right before their eyes. It's true, fans really do need to get some perspective and they need to decide what football is supposed to be about.