Has Wenger faiiled to develop our young players?

[Power n Glory]

Wenger blows smoke up the asses of all his players. I think we fans take him too serious.

There is nothing wrong with comparing the academy to the successful ones, but when you say "why haven't we done that," you are asking an impossible question.

An impossible question? How? Why? You seemed to have the answer earlier when you said the players we signed weren't good enough. So if we were to assume that aren't good enough in the first place, it's worth looking at our scouting system. You'll find a few others discussing our youth if you Google.

One example. Not the greatest paper but considering the shake up we had with our youth development managers, bringing Jonker and Kat, it's a fair question and one Arsenal staff must be asking themselves.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...eam-stars.html

Wenger was very frank with his words when we went out of the Carling Cup. We admitted the kids weren't ready and included too many senior players. He doesn't usually speak like that.

Wenger blows smoke up players asses sometimes but you can comfortably say that now because of hindsight. At the time when we had our kids make it to the Carling Cup final against Chelsea, nobody was questioning his judgement. We were coming off the Invincible season, he had his rep in tact because he developed Anelka, Henry, Vieria and sold a dream and was waxing lyrical about spotting Ronaldinho, Ronaldo....Pele or whoever else in their teens but restricted because of work permits or whatever. At the time we set up project youth, we all thought Wenger was a genius. It's not the same now when he talks about Sanogo being the new Anelka! We all see that for bullshit because the stocks dropped. But 10 years ago we might have believed him.

You yourself said you thought Denilson was good but lost his confidence. He did look like a good player. A totally different beast but I don't think it's a case of losing confidence. He either got too comfortable because he was a lazy bugger or had what ever he had coached out of him.

[mastermind84]

An impossible question? How? Why? You seemed to have the answer earlier when you said the players we signed weren't good enough. So if we were to assume that aren't good enough in the first place, it's worth looking at our scouting system. You'll find a few others discussing our youth if you Google.

One example. Not the greatest paper but considering the shake up we had with our youth development managers, bringing Jonker and Kat, it's a fair question and one Arsenal staff must be asking themselves.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...eam-stars.html

Wenger was very frank with his words when we went out of the Carling Cup. We admitted the kids weren't ready and included too many senior players. He doesn't usually speak like that.

Wenger blows smoke up players asses sometimes but you can comfortably say that now because of hindsight. At the time when we had our kids make it to the Carling Cup final against Chelsea, nobody was questioning his judgement. We were coming off the Invincible season, he had his rep in tact because he developed Anelka, Henry, Vieria and sold a dream and was waxing lyrical about spotting Ronaldinho, Ronaldo....Pele or whoever else in their teens but restricted because of work permits or whatever. At the time we set up project youth, we all thought Wenger was a genius. It's not the same now when he talks about Sanogo being the new Anelka! We all see that for bullshit because the stocks dropped. But 10 years ago we might have believed him.

You yourself said you thought Denilson was good but lost his confidence. He did look like a good player. A totally different beast but I don't think it's a case of losing confidence. He either got too comfortable because he was a lazy bugger or had what ever he had coached out of him.

look back at the Carling Cup run though.

Baptista and Aliadiere were our starting forwards.

Song was in midfield with Cesc and Diaby. (3 guys who became first teamers and international players)

The only really young player who didnt make it was that Armand Traore.

Denilson injured his back, iirc and was out for a while. DUring that time, Wilshere and Ramsey ascended. I think he lost his way after that.


I do agree that Wenger is overrated in his youth development. All Im saying is that we shouldnt ask why hasnt he replicated Ajax '95. But I agree, adn have always agreed that Wenger is overrated as a youth development genius. I questioned it when I didnt see Bendtner and Vela get better for us.

[Power n Glory]

Don't forget Senderos, Djourou, Hoyte and Mark Randall.

The only really young player who didnt make it was that Armand Traore.

What do you mean? Who did they make it for? Not us. Walcott's the only surviving member from that young team. I rated Song but we sold him too quickly.

[mastermind84]

Don't forget Senderos, Djourou, Hoyte and Mark Randall.



What do you mean? Who did they make it for? Not us. Walcott's the only surviving member from that young team. I rated Song but we sold him too quickly.

Mark Randall was never that good.

Neither was Hoyte. Both Hoytes. Justin only started because Wenger didnt replace Lauren. I think Hoyte was gone in 2008, and got the club 3 million and is now going backwards in the Football League. Same with his little brother.


And yeah, in that final it was Senderos and Kolo.


What I meant by Traore was that he was the only young player in that side that didnt make it.


Song was an idiot player. You guys think Ramsey plays too reckless, look at Song and remember he was our holding midfielder.

The special player in that group was Diaby and Cesc, imo. Cesc was sold for 30 million and Diaby's career was already wrecked in 2007.


Arsenal can definitely do better in youth development, but a big problem is the horribleness of English young talent. I will say that this current group looks decent. Iwobi and Maintland-Niles look like players. I think where Wenger messed up with the group 9-10 years ago was that he relied on them to start. The guys now are out on loan and learning unless they are really close.

I still dont expect anyone to make it though, except for Jeff.