Wilshere injured....again

[Özim]

Thing is Ramsey has had one good season, you'll find countless players who have performed well for one season in football, you don't become top class until you prove you can do it over several seasons.

I think he still has to convince a lot of people, his game has gone to pot since that season where he scored 16 goals, a lot of managers would have dropped him for someone else until he showed some form.

This is his 8th season with us and much like the likes of Walcott ,Wilshere and Ox-Chamberlain where is the progress, the progress of these guys seems to be static, after such a long time with a club you'd expect to be seeing better, especially as many of these guys are coming up to their prime.

For me with a lot of Wengers' pet projects we always seem to be waiting to see the potential become reality, in the end just like Diaby it never quite pans out, perhaps we should focus more on players who are proven rather than trying to make world beaters out of youngsters.

[Niall_Quinn]

You can't help feeling these players would be a whole lot more consistent and might actually develop from season to season under a new management team. I don't know how we stack up against the competition, but is it normal for young players to come through the ranks and actually end up worse than when they started out?

[mastermind84]

5 goals and only 3 assist from Ramsey this season. It's not good enough really.

He makes tackles. A lot. But in vital moments he's in the wrong position just like when we conceded the goal.

How many central midfielders in this league has 5 goals and 3 assists so far? I don't think it's as many as you may think.

Not denying he needs to improve a lot of aspects in his game but I really think Flamini is a major problem.


I would rather us get a better central midfielder this summer.

[Power n Glory]

How many central midfielders in this league has 5 goals and 3 assists so far? I don't think it's as many as you may think.

Not denying he needs to improve a lot of aspects in his gas but I really think Flamini is a major problem.


I would rather us get a better central midfielder this summer.

I'll find out how many central midfield players have more but for the disruption he causes to our play, those stats aren't enough. And i've said this is another post recently, it's all too easy to blame Flamini. Before we signed Flamini and before Ramsey's good season, he was playing like this and he played along side Arteta. When he had his breakthrough season it didn't matter who he played with. First few weeks of the season when he was out best player he played alongside Flamini or Wilshere because Arteta was injured but that didn't have an effect on his form.

[mastermind84]

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[mastermind84]

I'll find out how many central midfield players have more but for the disruption he causes to our play, those stats aren't enough. And i've said this is another post recently, it's all too easy to blame Flamini. Before we signed Flamini and before Ramsey's good season, he was playing like this and he played along side Arteta. When he had his breakthrough season it didn't matter who he played with. First few weeks of the season when he was out best player he played alongside Flamini or Wilshere because Arteta was injured but that didn't have an effect on his form.

One of Ramsey's finest performances came in a 5-1 match versus West Ham where he sat deep and there was no Arteta. This was the half season where Alan Sugar trolled Spurs.

The second half of that season he put in fine and disciplined performances. There was a lot of fans who wanted Fellaini to come and Ramsey bossed him when we played them that season.

He has it in his locker but the goals have fucked his brain up.

[Power n Glory]

One of Ramsey's finest performances came in a 5-1 match versus West Ham where he sat deep and there was no Arteta. This was the half season where Alan Sugar trolled Spurs.

The second half of that season he put in fine and disciplined performances. There was a lot of fans who wanted Fellaini to come and Ramsey bossed him when we played them that season.

He has it in his locker but the goals have fucked his brain up.

Totally. I don't know why the simple things have gone out of his game and he's gone goal hunting. He's not not attempting to build play from deep and it seems like he wants to get forward as quickly as possible. I agree, he has it in his locker to be a great player regardless of who he plays with. Wenger needs to have another word with him because his game got after they spoke. I can't remember if it was the West Ham game you're referring to but I remember he had a game where he just sat deep and kept the ball distribution simple and crisp. He just needs to get that back and understand his role and how that role is more important than anything else. Seeing how Santi has taken on that role should be a hint.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Ramsey's 8th season here!!!??? Fuhk me!

[selassie]

Ramsey creates too

I think the big problem is just how bad Flamini is. He is only good when he man marks but he can't cover ground and is scared of the ball. There was a moment yesterday when Oxlade made a move on the right and the ball strayed a bit. Flamini was closest to the ball and coulda played it and made a move but instead he stood bad let Oxlade recover it and it ended up in one of Oxlade's dead end runs.

Ramsey also had more tackles and interceptions than Flamini yesterday. It was a huge difference too.


Jack wouldn't help this side at al but my hope is that he matures into the Cazorla role but I don't know if he has the nous for it.

Ramsey isn't even getting the basics right, that's my take on things anyway. I'm not saying he should create like Ozil or score like Lampard but he does need to improve his all round game. He needs to improve his distribution which at present is woeful, he needs to improve his use of the ball, he gets caught out on the ball way too many times because he holds onto it too long or runs down blind alleys, he needs to improve his positional awareness, why is he even moving into the false 9 position if we have Ozil? I agree that Flamini is a big problem too but they are both as bad as each other, Sunday was horrific prior to Merte's sending off, Ramsey & Flamini were all over the shop constantly out of position.

Ramsey does tackle but his poor use of the ball negates that.

I know I keep coming back to Jack but he has proven that he can hold a central midfield role for England and has showed that he has all the attributes needed to be a pure CM for us. Ramsey is on the flanks or on the bench for me until we get more bodies back, he can't be trusted in Central Midfield, he lacks discipline.

[Kano]

Ramsey isn't even getting the basics right, that's my take on things anyway. I'm not saying he should create like Ozil or score like Lampard but he does need to improve his all round game. He needs to improve his distribution which at present is woeful, he needs to improve his use of the ball, he gets caught out on the ball way too many times because he holds onto it too long or runs down blind alleys, he needs to improve his positional awareness, why is he even moving into the false 9 position if we have Ozil? I agree that Flamini is a big problem too but they are both as bad as each other, Sunday was horrific prior to Merte's sending off, Ramsey & Flamini were all over the shop constantly out of position.

Ramsey does tackle but his poor use of the ball negates that.

I know I keep coming back to Jack but he has proven that he can hold a central midfield role for England and has showed that he has all the attributes needed to be a pure CM for us. Ramsey is on the flanks or on the bench for me until we get more bodies back, he can't be trusted in Central Midfield, he lacks discipline.

By all account his figures were good on Sunday but the problem with Ramsey is, he tries too hard to be everything, everywhere, all the time. Our best passer on the day, second best in their half of the pitch, most succesful at going past a player, most recoveries, tackler, a couple of interceptions and he set up Flamini for one of our best chances. You can never fault his effort and his willingness to try to make something happen for the team but with Flamini playing as false 9 and Ramsey trying to put our fires and create more upfield, there is no synergy between them at all. Ramsey will stay in the team, rightfully, once Coq comes back.