Winter Transfer Speculation

[selassie]

I touched on this with Selassie a few weeks back, but TBH this has been a typical transfer window made worse by the fact that Wenger indicated at the outset that he would be 'very active' this time round. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35280259

It is really tiresome as a fan to have this 'smoke and mirrors' approach. Even more to have a manager who, no matter what he says, will simply not make pragmatic, effective purchases for the here and the now. A proven goal-scoring talent is clearly needed to really push for the league this season, as is a DMF - despite the Coq's delightfully early return. Elneny might be the latter - we don't know - but the evidence so far is that he is another 'development' type signing made with as much of an eye on not smothering his existing players as with the aim of really elevating this team.

And this approach - generally not looking to sign where a 'full blooded' signing would stifle existing players - even when they are not performing - is what justifiably leads people to ask whether Wenger has what it takes to achieve success.

yep, totally agree IBK. This window has been "Classic" Wenger and I think the summer will be the same too.

[Power n Glory]

It's really frustrating but I still hope we pull something out the bag. But if we don't....to hell with it. It's on his head and if we fall short this season, I'm switching off. This really is a judge him at the end of the season moment for me. If he can't pull it off this season and make the same mistake...I won't waste my time doing the same next season.

[Niall_Quinn]

Oh come on NQ, I'm talking about January. Yes I know Wenger fucked up last summer. We should all know that by now. How long are going to keep bleating on about that rather than focus on now, the reality, present day? There is no changing that.

So the question remains, who, in this window?

But this is my point. He fucked up AGAIN in the summer. And he'll fuck up AGAIN this window. And he'll fuck up AGAIN next summer. Where's the cut-off point for his persistent fuck-ups?

How can he bear to keep getting us within one or two more signings striking distance of having the team we need and then not push the button and get the job completed? Over and over again.

There's no point talking about who we SHOULD sign with Wenger because that rapidly becomes who the FUCK did we just sign - WHO? oh

Honestly, I don't think he has a clue. I think he's lost it. Anyone could figure signing Alexis, Ozil and Cech is good business, you don't need 20 years experience managing the club to work that out. So where have we actually seen that experience called into play and what have the results been?

2012/13 can't be argued with. Looks like a full set of marbles.

Olivier Giroud, Lukas Podolski, Hector Bellerin, Santi Cazorla, Nacho Monreal

2013/14 Ozil, forget about it, a fool could figure that one. But look at the rest of it. A lot of marbles have gone missing.

Yaya Sanogo, Mathieu Flamini, Mesut Ozil, Semi Ajayi, Matt Macey

Recently £107million spent and Alexis and Cech are obvious improvements. Now we have cash so what is he spending it on? A lot of cash and what do we have to show for it in the starting eleven? Okay, so injury took a toll but offset that by the fact we wouldn't have seen Coquelin and Campbell come through - players he'd already passed over. He had £60mill after Alexis and Cech, look at what he got for it and think about that striker position. Or the fact Vidal was available for relative peanuts.

Alexis Sanchez, Mathieu Debuchy, David Ospina, Calum Chambers, Danny Welbeck, Krystian Bielik, Gabriel Paulista, Petr Cech, Jeff Reine Adelaide, Mohamed Elneny

Chambers he wants to convert to a midfielder, Welbeck he stuck on the wing, Gabriel can't even get a game over the Lumbering Oaf, fuck knows where Bielik has vanished to, Ospina was another in a line of keeper placeholders until we finally (after YEARS) signed proper quality.


I almost fear for what he might come up with in this transfer window. Maybe nothing is our best option.

[Niall_Quinn]

Talksport vid



ffs

With Wenger in charge, you never know I guess

LOL

They should interview GW.


WHO?

WENGER OUT!

WTF?

WHOOOOOOOOOO?

[Kano]

But this is my point. He fucked up AGAIN in the summer. And he'll fuck up AGAIN this window. And he'll fuck up AGAIN next summer. Where's the cut-off point for his persistent fuck-ups?

How can he bear to keep getting us within one or two more signings striking distance of having the team we need and then not push the button and get the job completed? Over and over again.

There's no point talking about who we SHOULD sign with Wenger because that rapidly becomes who the FUCK did we just sign - WHO? oh

Honestly, I don't think he has a clue. I think he's lost it. Anyone could figure signing Alexis, Ozil and Cech is good business, you don't need 20 years experience managing the club to work that out. So where have we actually seen that experience called into play and what have the results been?

2012/13 can't be argued with. Looks like a full set of marbles.

Olivier Giroud, Lukas Podolski, Hector Bellerin, Santi Cazorla, Nacho Monreal

2013/14 Ozil, forget about it, a fool could figure that one. But look at the rest of it. A lot of marbles have gone missing.

Yaya Sanogo, Mathieu Flamini, Mesut Ozil, Semi Ajayi, Matt Macey

Recently £107million spent and Alexis and Cech are obvious improvements. Now we have cash so what is he spending it on? A lot of cash and what do we have to show for it in the starting eleven? Okay, so injury took a toll but offset that by the fact we wouldn't have seen Coquelin and Campbell come through - players he'd already passed over. He had £60mill after Alexis and Cech, look at what he got for it and think about that striker position. Or the fact Vidal was available for relative peanuts.

Alexis Sanchez, Mathieu Debuchy, David Ospina, Calum Chambers, Danny Welbeck, Krystian Bielik, Gabriel Paulista, Petr Cech, Jeff Reine Adelaide, Mohamed Elneny

Chambers he wants to convert to a midfielder, Welbeck he stuck on the wing, Gabriel can't even get a game over the Lumbering Oaf, fuck knows where Bielik has vanished to, Ospina was another in a line of keeper placeholders until we finally (after YEARS) signed proper quality.


I almost fear for what he might come up with in this transfer window. Maybe nothing is our best option.

Fuck. I knew you’d come back with a long(ish) one. You bastard. Although, to be honest, you could’ve just referred me back to all your other posts about Wenger.

A few months back you were saying that we had a good enough squad but it was because of the manager it wasn’t being maximised and inturn we should we killing the league (and don’t drag me back down that rabbit hole from earlier in the week). So if the squad is good enough but it is just the manager holding us, then the purchases have been ok. Certainly Ok enough to be way ahead of the current state of our opposition. But if the squad isn’t good enough, based on the poor purchases in recent seasons that you highlight above, then we are where we should be right now. It can’t work both ways.

[mastermind84]

I'm not sure you do either. Adebayor's first touch was sketchy and was never a natural finisher. I have no idea what you mean by most talented because the technical side of his game got better with time and age.

But forget all that. It just seems like a bit of a contradiction to praise Ade, who had unimpressive numbers when he first arrived and looked very unpolished, but turn your nose up at us signing this Yarm fella.

I didnt turn my nose up at Yarmolenko. I said I dont believe the rumor because its not how Arsene does things. (in buying a player for the summer in January. When has he done that? I never said a word about the guy's talent and ability)

2, when Adebayor arrived he was 21/22. IIRC, his price was low because he was a headcase at Monaco. He came here and scored 4 in 10 his first season. You think Wenger just bought Adebayor on a whim? Adebayor is like 8 goals away from passing Drogba's goal record, and is about 24 matches ahead of Drogba's pace. I said Adebayor is a good finisher, which he is. When that guy is in front of goal, we pretty much think he is going to score. He has improved at finishing since he left Arsenal. And I have no idea how you can say his first touch is terrible. IT was bad his first year at Arsenal but it improved dramatically.

He had hte potential to be much better than Drogba and we all thought he was the heir to Henry after that 2007/2008 season. He looked like he could be that for the club. If you want to have revisionism thoughts and pretend you didnt rate him that highly, cool. But his talent level is unquestionable. He just never had the mentality to be that player.

Campbell's pretty good as she's shown this season, we don't desperately need a winger, we do however desperately need a goalscorer. Giroud and Walcott are not adequate.

I disagree. And we need goals from everywhere in our attack. We dont have that right now. Campbell is good but he not scoring goals regularly enough. He is good because he is functional, but we need better.

Fair enough, it's probably not true. Or worse, it's not true but will be used anyway to keep the fans quiet with promises of jam tomorrow.

I think the worked up bit comes from the mention of yet another "utility" player that would fit into Wenger's insane tippy tappy bullshit. Wingers who can also "play there", midfielders who can "also play there". Why don't we just buy a striker, and obviously I don't mean Morata?

He's also looking at some kid from Leicester, apparently. For the full back slots. Why? So maybe the kid is talented but we have far more pressing areas that need reinforcement.

Wenger should have replaced Vieira years ago. And found a dedicated replacement for RvC when he left. Instead we've had one striker who is, let's say okay, and then wingers who can play there, or players who can be "converted" to the role and other such Wenger crap.

Santi Cazorla is our best option in the central midfield FFS! He's done well, but why have we passed up so many windows in which we could have filled that role with a genuine central midfielder suited for this league?

We've had Chamakhs and Sanogos up top, and what the hell was Welbeck all about? Why hasn't he gone out and bought a bloody quality striker given all the cash that's sloshing around and our continued and desperate need for one?

I mean what the fuck is he playing at and how complicated does this need to be?

Who is the ideal Vieira replacement or would have been? He was one of a kind.


but goal scoring wide players are out there, and Wenger has never got that. Giroud and Walcott are actually good up top, but we need goals from elsewhere. If you look at this team, we only get them from the Central forward position, Alexis, and sometimes Ramsey. We need more options.

[Power n Glory]

2, when Adebayor arrived he was 21/22. IIRC, his price was low because he was a headcase at Monaco. He came here and scored 4 in 10 his first season. You think Wenger just bought Adebayor on a whim? Adebayor is like 8 goals away from passing Drogba's goal record, and is about 24 matches ahead of Drogba's pace. I said Adebayor is a good finisher, which he is. When that guy is in front of goal, we pretty much think he is going to score. He has improved at finishing since he left Arsenal. And I have no idea how you can say his first touch is terrible. IT was bad his first year at Arsenal but it improved dramatically.

He had hte potential to be much better than Drogba and we all thought he was the heir to Henry after that 2007/2008 season. He looked like he could be that for the club. If you want to have revisionism thoughts and pretend you didnt rate him that highly, cool. But his talent level is unquestionable. He just never had the mentality to be that player.

I'm going to do this....

Nothing else to say here.

[mastermind84]

I'm going to do this....

Nothing else to say here.

good idea to be fair

You went from continuously misunderstanding what talent is to thinking I said Yarmalenko was shit. You probably should.

[Power n Glory]

good idea to be fair

You went from continuously misunderstanding what talent is to thinking I said Yarmalenko was shit. You probably should.

I don't think you know what talent is if you think he had a good touch and talk about his finishing improving.

[Letters]

But this is my point. He fucked up AGAIN in the summer. And he'll fuck up AGAIN this window. And he'll fuck up AGAIN next summer. Where's the cut-off point for his persistent fuck-ups?

The end of this season is.
If we win the league then he can't have f***ed up that badly. Chelsea have imploded but all the others are there or thereabouts where they were at this stage last season.
If we continue to stutter and fall away then I'll be #WengerOut'ing with the best of 'em.