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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Moreover you'll probably struggle to find any Barcelona fans complaining about this, their fans are happy with the way their club approaches football.
    Yeah, funny that.
    The Chav and Citeh fans weren't too bothered when the billionaires started spunking money around till they won titles. Football fans are idiots, they don't care what the club does if they're successful. Doesn't make it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Yeah, funny that.
    The Chav and Citeh fans weren't too bothered when the billionaires started spunking money around till they won titles. Football fans are idiots, they don't care what the club does if they're successful. Doesn't make it right.
    As long as they're getting a good deal they don't care, it's the same in most walks of life. The only people it bothers is the people on the outside envious of their success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    You can take the high moral ground as a decent person not happy seeing an organisation, football club or not, not paying taxes and taking the absolute piss out the economy that is helping them out enormously. What Arsenal do is fucked up but that doesn't excuse the fact Barca and Real are robbing their own fans by not paying directly back into the economy around them. Hardly my idea of a good deal. You don't have to compare one to the other to realise that both are corrupt ways of running a business.
    Premier League clubs and players dodge taxes too and have been doing so for years. This is a ridiculous argument. No point in trying to rope in taxes and the economy to this argument because we'll be here all day. Most corporate companies avoid paying taxes. This is just a simple case of wanting the club to cut the fans that support them some slack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Premier League clubs and players dodge taxes too and have been doing so for years. This is a ridiculous argument. No point in trying to rope in taxes and the economy to this argument because we'll be here all day. Most corporate companies avoid paying taxes. This is just a simple case of wanting the club to cut the fans that support them some slack.
    Spot on, we saved money on players wages through clever methods for years before those options were shutdown all clubs do it, just seems to me other fans are envious of other clubs success and try to find a reason as to why it doesn't count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Yeah, funny that.
    The Chav and Citeh fans weren't too bothered when the billionaires started spunking money around till they won titles. Football fans are idiots, they don't care what the club does if they're successful. Doesn't make it right.
    No, it's 'idiotic' paying to watch this shit which is why men like Stan can take advantage and want in on the action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    They're not breaking any laws, that's not their problem it's down to the government of their country, they are simply doing what they are allowed to do just like any club would. Moreover you'll probably struggle to find any Barcelona fans complaining about this, their fans are happy with the way their club approaches football.

    Big companies always take advantage of things like this (just look at Google etc) but the fact are they aren't doing anything they're not allowed to do, this an entirely different argument however whilst morally you can question what they do what I'm more interested is the football side which put a great emphasis on, hence the reason they are so successful.
    Of course no laws are being broken but that doesn't make them any better for that reason. I'd like to be ignorant to the practices of any large organisation but when I find that their common practices affect us all in different ways, that's hard to do. A major reason why so many large companies take advantage of the rule-bending allowed by their relationships with Governments is down to the fact so many people see it as an effort to even question them. So it just continues. And football clubs, just like Arsenal, take the piss. But you're right, this is a different conversation. Bottom line is, football first or not, Barca, Madrid, Bayern whoever you want to name are greedy cunts. Football being a priority or not. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    Of course no laws are being broken but that doesn't make them any better for that reason. I'd like to be ignorant to the practices of any large organisation but when I find that their common practices affect us all in different ways, that's hard to do. A major reason why so many large companies take advantage of the rule-bending allowed by their relationships with Governments is down to the fact so many people see it as an effort to even question them. So it just continues. And football clubs, just like Arsenal, take the piss. But you're right, this is a different conversation. Bottom line is, football first or not, Barca, Madrid, Bayern whoever you want to name are greedy cunts. Football being a priority or not. Those things are not mutually exclusive.
    Off topic I know but It's no different to the big investment banks in London essentially not paying corporation taxes...http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a6783716.html

    What did the government say at the time after 2007? "we will regulate the banking industry and the city", Oh how I laughed.

    The thing is, if you take the moral high ground with this stance regarding these major corporations you would find yourself not supporting or buying into a lot of everyday commercial/investment products, ISA's, Shares, Google, Apple, Starbucks, PL football clubs, the list goes on & on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    Off topic I know but It's no different to the big investment banks in London essentially not paying corporation taxes...http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a6783716.html

    What did the government say at the time after 2007? "we will regulate the banking industry and the city", Oh how I laughed.

    The thing is, if you take the moral high ground with this stance regarding these major corporations you would find yourself not supporting or buying into a lot of everyday commercial/investment products, ISA's, Shares, Google, Apple, Starbucks, PL football clubs, the list goes on & on.
    Well yes, absolutely and pretty much everything you've listed above I don't buy into. It is an neverending list, which is a sad indictment on the current economical set-up and neoliberal attitude that has infested our everyday lives and our own, which were once, simple escapes from the daily grind. That's part of the reason why I've stepped back from bashing Wenger all over the place because there is so much other bullshit that incroaches into football today that I want to try to enjoy the little 90 minutes I can get away from that crap. I think you have to take the high moral ground wherever you can, rather than just shrug and say 'that's the way it is' because that's what allowed PL clubs, for example, the opportunity to set ticket prices so high. Now the fight is on to try and get them back down but because it was ignored for so long, the struggle is twice as hard. Give these fuckers an inch and they'll brand up a mile. Of course, there are some things that are unavoidable that you have to engage with but I think if you have a brain and an ounce of intelligence (the general use of you, rather than actually meaning you Selassie) then you need to think about who and what you do allow into your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    Off topic I know but It's no different to the big investment banks in London essentially not paying corporation taxes...http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a6783716.html

    What did the government say at the time after 2007? "we will regulate the banking industry and the city", Oh how I laughed.

    The thing is, if you take the moral high ground with this stance regarding these major corporations you would find yourself not supporting or buying into a lot of everyday commercial/investment products, ISA's, Shares, Google, Apple, Starbucks, PL football clubs, the list goes on & on.
    The news comes days after a Sunday Times investigation revealed that the video-streaming service Netflix paid no corporation tax last year despite generating an estimated £200m in revenue from its 4.5 million British subscribers. Any profits from the UK in 2014 were booked overseas. There is no suggestion Netflix broke the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    When have they not, when they came over the 1st time they controlled them game but just missed chance after chance, even when we beat them they controlled large parts and we just caught them on the break.
    At the match I was at (the one where Henry returned), Barca were praying for the final whistle.
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