This is a well timed and fitting addendum to my reply to this post earlier too:Originally Posted by Özim
This is a well timed and fitting addendum to my reply to this post earlier too:
Most people can't enjoy the 90 minutes, hence the complaints and 'bashing' on here. The soundbites we constantly get from Wenger fuels this type of discussion. The contradictions about needing all the revenue for players but not actually spending in key areas that need strengthening, excuses about inflated transfer fees, financial doping, China, strikers not being available....all excuses we just don't want to hear. Especially when you're paying a hefty amount for it each year and it's a luxury you really can't afford. It's much harder to enjoy the football especially when this is the sort of rhetoric churned out year on year with each underwhelming season. It would be different if fans went digging for this info but it's mostly Wenger offering up his opinion/explanation, trying to redefine success and fan expectations. Linking all this in with Barca's tax avoidance and what modern day companies do, economics...it's just missing the point.That's part of the reason why I've stepped back from bashing Wenger all over the place because there is so much other bullshit that incroaches into football today that I want to try to enjoy the little 90 minutes I can get away from that crap.
Barca and clubs like Bayern know who their customers/fans are and try to provide a good service. Same goes for giants like Google, Netflix, Starbucks and the rest of the tax dodgers if we're linking this to the corporate world. Regardless of the ethics, motivation and greed of the people running those organisations, they know their fortune is linked to the customers/fans, hence why they try to deliver for them and not piss them off. Arsenal FC and Wenger have been sticking their fingers up at the fans/customers for a long time now and coming up with lame excuses year after year. That's what's pissing people off on here and why it's hard to enjoy the football.
I'm a Netflix customer and it's messed up that they're tax dodgers but their isn't much I can do about that. But if, for example, their standards started to slip and they weren't getting new shows, had buffering and streaming issues, service shut down for hours...etc....I'd expect an apology and improvements. I don't expect excuses as to why the service is sub par. Saying Amazon and Sky are buying up rights and inflating prices wouldn't cut it. Blaming faulty technical equipment for the poor service wouldn't cut it. It would take the biscuit even more if that was the yearly excuse but you then get a email saying they're bumping up the subscription fee but not actually improve the service. In fact, when criticised by the press and customers about the poor service, I wouldn't expect a defiant speech talking about their years in the business as if they shouldn't be questioned. That's Arsenal FC in a nutshell. It's very difficult to enjoy the football at the moment.
That right there P n G
How some fans are not infuriated by the bile Wenget and board stream out, is quite baffling. Arsenal and Wenget have no respect for the fans whatsoever and constantly insult our intelligence that's why I'm quite comfortable calling them what they are ....cunts!
Win, lose, invest, don't invest, be competent or incompetent at their jobs ....heck I can forgive and live with that but don't take me for a fool or a mug. That's where I've drawn my line and they've long since and continue to blantantly cross it.
Football in England is now just like the crack cocaine business. They're the suppliers/dealers and we're the fiends, and in Wenget Arsenal have one of the best street dealers to grace this drug game. He constantly cuts and dilutes the product and tells punters "this shit right here, this shit is the highest grade ...will blow your mind" And they continue to flock, ques round the corner fiends coming back for more. Fuck that I ain't using and I ain't getting hooked on this shit. I'll grow my own weed thank you very much.
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'WHEN HE HAS A PLAN, WE BACK HIM, WHEN HE DOESN'T......WE KEEP QUIET'
Totally agree, no other club/comany does or indeed gets away with treating its fans/customers with such contempt, we're a money making machine that not only doesn't care about its customers but also makes it clear it doesn't which is something quite different to the likes of Barca.
I remember that too. Ozim says they had chance after chance but thats to be expected as they were probably the greatest ever club side at the time and used to brush aside most teams. The fact that we are unbeaten at home against them is a good omen for us.
Did they not create a whole host of chances and miss them however? Whether we finished well or not it doesn't change the fact that they playe us off the park for a large part of the match, even when we beat them.
Whether we're unbeaten or not won't make a lot of difference, even if we managed a result at home we'd get well beaten away from home, it's just not a tie we can win IMO they just have too many goal threats.
Interesting that when we do that you hammer us for it but if a team does it to us then we're just lucky and being outplayed
When have we not been lucky against Barca, they've always been a much better side than we are (well in the last 10 years anyway) as we've never progressed and had the players to challenge them.Interesting that when we do that you hammer us for it but if a team does it to us then we're just lucky and being outplayed
I don't think we've even played that well against them because they are generally just too good, even when we beat them it needed them to have an off day in front of goal, has they not had we would have lost comfortably.
Whilst it could happent to previous teams as they relied on Messi too much, this team have more top goal threats and you just can't see it happening this time.
In the last 10 years we've neither had good enough players, good enough organisation or tactics, or a good enough team unit to play and beat a team like Barca over two legs.
I make no secret about the fact I don't rate us and haven't really over the last 10 years, we've been a very imcomplete team for far too long now.
Last edited by Özim; 10-02-2016 at 09:52 AM.
I agree that getting a result at the Nou camp is very difficult, they create chance after chance and we dont have the defensive nous to stop them.
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