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    Just seen we play Everton away on the Saturday lunchtime following the 2nd leg, which is on a Wednesday. I was going to say we should play a strong team in the 2nd leg but because of the scheduling it's not really worth it. The league is absolutely everything now any delusions we may have had about knocking out Barca are gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    Just seen we play Everton away on the Saturday lunchtime following the 2nd leg, which is on a Wednesday. I was going to say we should play a strong team in the 2nd leg but because of the scheduling it's not really worth it. The league is absolutely everything now any delusions we may have had about knocking out Barca are gone.
    My thoughts too, we have 0% chance of progressing now, we won't score twice over there and won prevent them from scoring, we're out now, might aswell put a reserve side out there and concentrate on PL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    We know Giroud can shoot, he's bloody good at it. Same for Theo and particularly Ox. Ox had a fantastic range of shooting techniques on him when he arrived here. We know Ramsey can shoot too. We know they can pass and we know they are very good at it when things go our way. It's like anything overcomplicated, doesn't have to be football. When there are 1,001 things to think about before you act then you probably won't act or you'll act too late or in a confused and stressed manner. Our game is way too complicated. Eye of the needle stuff. Very little directness. Too much patience, too much possession.

    I believe Wenger has worked the players up their own backsides in terms of whatever it is he wants to see them doing on a pitch. Always the extra pass, why? When you get to the byline, cross the ball, get players in the box. Why do we often see Giroud behind a midfield player when the ball comes in? Why are we famous for having nobody in the box when a cross comes in? Why, when a Theo or Ox or Alexis makes a run into space do they have to check back because the ball has instead gone short, sideways, backwards? Is it too vulgar to hit the ball into that space and leverage the primary advantage of the players we have?

    Why do you see Theo or Alexis on the flank with their back to goal waiting to receive the ball short and immediately lay it off, backwards? Why aren't they facing the goal? Why bother having Ozil at all when 99% of our stuff if just triangles up the pitch, triangles back down the pitch?

    And then, after all that, we suddenly abandon all posts and rush up the pitch leaving huge holes in the middle and ripping our defence to shreds. Wenger was moaning that last night was the same as Monaco. He was clever enough not to mention that Monaco was like a hundred other incidents we've seen prior to that.

    His coaching, his tactics, his responsibility so why is he trying to avoid it? He's just a lousy coach who keeps getting exposed over and over again. The whole history is out there for inspection, why is there still this pretence that Wenger is up there with the top or even average coaches? It's getting like the Rooney myth.
    Yep, Wenger doesn't have the right personnel to execute this over-complicated system he insists on trying to implement.

    He needs better players in many of the keys positions.

    The sad thing is we were beaten before a ball was kicked last night IMO, knowing full well that we had severe question marks hanging over the spine of the team, we were worried about Merts, worried about Central Midfield and worried about Giroud. Wenger will get nowhere if he doesn't upgrade certain positions and sort out his recruitment policy.

    It honestly feels like he's trying to compete with one hand tied behind his back, it's ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    We know Giroud can shoot, he's bloody good at it. Same for Theo and particularly Ox. Ox had a fantastic range of shooting techniques on him when he arrived here. We know Ramsey can shoot too. We know they can pass and we know they are very good at it when things go our way. It's like anything overcomplicated, doesn't have to be football. When there are 1,001 things to think about before you act then you probably won't act or you'll act too late or in a confused and stressed manner. Our game is way too complicated. Eye of the needle stuff. Very little directness. Too much patience, too much possession.

    I believe Wenger has worked the players up their own backsides in terms of whatever it is he wants to see them doing on a pitch. Always the extra pass, why? When you get to the byline, cross the ball, get players in the box. Why do we often see Giroud behind a midfield player when the ball comes in? Why are we famous for having nobody in the box when a cross comes in? Why, when a Theo or Ox or Alexis makes a run into space do they have to check back because the ball has instead gone short, sideways, backwards? Is it too vulgar to hit the ball into that space and leverage the primary advantage of the players we have?

    Why do you see Theo or Alexis on the flank with their back to goal waiting to receive the ball short and immediately lay it off, backwards? Why aren't they facing the goal? Why bother having Ozil at all when 99% of our stuff if just triangles up the pitch, triangles back down the pitch?

    And then, after all that, we suddenly abandon all posts and rush up the pitch leaving huge holes in the middle and ripping our defence to shreds. Wenger was moaning that last night was the same as Monaco. He was clever enough not to mention that Monaco was like a hundred other incidents we've seen prior to that.

    His coaching, his tactics, his responsibility so why is he trying to avoid it? He's just a lousy coach who keeps getting exposed over and over again. The whole history is out there for inspection, why is there still this pretence that Wenger is up there with the top or even average coaches? It's getting like the Rooney myth.
    Giroud can shoot but can’t create space for himself. He needs a pass that puts space between him and the defender to shoot otherwise he’s useless. He rarely gets a clean strike on goal unless it’s in the air. Ox can hit them hard but showed zero composure in front of goal. Chose the wrong technique to score in that situation and when he watches the game back, he’ll know he should have lifted the ball. Nobody has to coach that into him. It’s down to instinct and ability. You wouldn’t have to coach that into RVP, Henry or Bergkamp.

    I agree about the positioning and tactical approach to certain games. The wingers coming short for the ball and drifting to the centre is an example of us trying to hold possession deep in our opponents half and create a goal scoring opportunity. I don’t have a problem with that. We play inverted inverted/attack minded wingers that want to score goals. Most teams play that way. You’ll see Robben’s goal against Bayern and some of Neymar’s attempts last night and they’re coming short, cutting cross the goal on their stronger foot trying to get a pop on goal. I have no problem with that. When the wing backs overlap, they can whip in the cross. You say our game is too complicated but that’s the modern game. Wingers don’t hug the chalk on the line anymore and look to cross. That’s not our game. It never was. We’ve always been unorthodox. Henry would drift out wide to the left with Pires moving more to the centre, Cashley was overlapping whilst Bergkamp was dropping deep and Freddie darting into the box from the right. When did we ever see Freddie and Pires whip in crosses for Henry and Bergkamp to get on the end of?

    Sanchez trying to go forward with every touch of the ball is an example of how we get hit on the counter. Someone else said yesterday it’s why he was sold at Barca. Unless it’s a counter attacking situation, you need to have some sort of patience in the build up but know when to crank it up a gear and go for goal. But overall, we have a quality issue up front. Giroud is too stiff to play the game Wenger is trying to play. Too slow on the counter, too rigid to play in tight spaces. Theo on the wing is great at making runs but can’t dribble or create his own opportunities either. Or just won’t try to. Sanchez is just off form. I don’t know what we do about Ox. I think Wenger’s coaching is a problem but I wouldn’t use the Barca game as an example. Team selection and subs maybe but not tactical approach. We were in that game. Maybe he needs to have a word with our DM and CM when attacking for long periods. They drift to far up field and don’t cover. Could go on for ages about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Giroud can shoot but can’t create space for himself. He needs a pass that puts space between him and the defender to shoot otherwise he’s useless. He rarely gets a clean strike on goal unless it’s in the air. Ox can hit them hard but showed zero composure in front of goal. Chose the wrong technique to score in that situation and when he watches the game back, he’ll know he should have lifted the ball. Nobody has to coach that into him. It’s down to instinct and ability. You wouldn’t have to coach that into RVP, Henry or Bergkamp.

    I agree about the positioning and tactical approach to certain games. The wingers coming short for the ball and drifting to the centre is an example of us trying to hold possession deep in our opponents half and create a goal scoring opportunity. I don’t have a problem with that. We play inverted inverted/attack minded wingers that want to score goals. Most teams play that way. You’ll see Robben’s goal against Bayern and some of Neymar’s attempts last night and they’re coming short, cutting cross the goal on their stronger foot trying to get a pop on goal. I have no problem with that. When the wing backs overlap, they can whip in the cross. You say our game is too complicated but that’s the modern game. Wingers don’t hug the chalk on the line anymore and look to cross. That’s not our game. It never was. We’ve always been unorthodox. Henry would drift out wide to the left with Pires moving more to the centre, Cashley was overlapping whilst Bergkamp was dropping deep and Freddie darting into the box from the right. When did we ever see Freddie and Pires whip in crosses for Henry and Bergkamp to get on the end of?

    Sanchez trying to go forward with every touch of the ball is an example of how we get hit on the counter. Someone else said yesterday it’s why he was sold at Barca. Unless it’s a counter attacking situation, you need to have some sort of patience in the build up but know when to crank it up a gear and go for goal. But overall, we have a quality issue up front. Giroud is too stiff to play the game Wenger is trying to play. Too slow on the counter, too rigid to play in tight spaces. Theo on the wing is great at making runs but can’t dribble or create his own opportunities either. Or just won’t try to. Sanchez is just off form. I don’t know what we do about Ox. I think Wenger’s coaching is a problem but I wouldn’t use the Barca game as an example. Team selection and subs maybe but not tactical approach. We were in that game. Maybe he needs to have a word with our DM and CM when attacking for long periods. They drift to far up field and don’t cover. Could go on for ages about this.
    Great post. Same shit different season yet again

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    It's all just so fucking stale.

    One common denominator.

    Just go ffs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    I thought we actually played quite well last night. Shame we couldn't put away one of the chances we created. Last night was clearly evident that we lack the required quality in key areas and if we don't upgrade those areas then I fail to see we are going to progress and improve as a CL team.

    Nothing much else to say really, the tie was settled last night.
    Yes. Good summary. I really don't feel that angry towards the team or Wenger for last night. What we needed against the best team in the world was a 100% flawless display - but that is an almost impossible feat to achieve in any game. Merts played well - apart from his mistake, but if we are objective how many CB's have games where they don't put a foot wrong - the difference is that they don't have Messi waiting to capitalise. Flamini didn't mean to give away the pen. We all know he's a loose cannon - but he was retained for cover and to a degree its not his fault that he is being used as a 'go to' guy lately.

    Up front we are misfiring - but I don't buy simply that all our forward players are off form. Barca missed a few chances of their own, but these are forgotten when you win. What concerns me more is how ponderous we are in the build up; and how lacking in composure we are in front of goal. This looks to me like players trying too hard - and not finding the rhythm and understanding required. This particularly applied to Sanchez last night - whose biggest flaw in my view is trying to take on too much and do too much himself.

    Yes - we can rail against Wenger for not bringing in a better striker - but for me that's a debate for elsewhere. Last night's results showed simply the difference between us and a world class team.
    Putting the laughter back into manslaughter

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