And this is where you can't just blame Wenger. Yes, he's the manager and the buck stops with him but where is the players' pride? Why wouldn't they want to win the title? It's there for the taking, just do your jobs and it's yours.
And this is where you can't just blame Wenger. Yes, he's the manager and the buck stops with him but where is the players' pride? Why wouldn't they want to win the title? It's there for the taking, just do your jobs and it's yours.
Utter disgrace the lot of em.
Nothing more to say really.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
Every team has a handful of games where they have that hunger.Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
The early Wenger years will stand the test of time. Best football I ever saw and I include Brazil and any doped up Barcelona team you want to throw into the mix. He set standards that really could never be maintained.
However, the later years. Those are a road crash and he'll be remembered as the manager who faded into nothing and hung on for too long. Taking the team full circle in the process even though the club has grown to a whole new level.
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Well there is evidence, if you don't JUST look at what happened yesterday. The evidence shows that Merts is our worst defender by a distance. The stats won't tell you everything, I accept that, but when the margins are so wide then they certainly tell you something. Just like the stats telling us something about Theo Walcott's performance yesterday. I believe we'll do better over the next 10 games with Gabriel rather than Mets. You believe the opposite, fair enough. But the numbers favour my assessment and while they are not the definitive measurement at least they consider more than a single match. Plus we get the added bonus of finding out if we should be sticking with Gabriel into next season or hitting the transfer market. I view it as inconceivable we'd stick with Mertesacker, for the reasons previously given. I'm approaching this logically, the alternative is the Wenger way. Chuck them out there, see what happens, have no plan B if/ invariably when it all goes tits up.
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Is the Wenger way the stats? You have got to be kidding.
The problem seems to me to be persisting with Mertesacker and then shoving in a rusty Gabriel and then bench him again when his positioning is poor and actually needs you know game time.
This has been a long running issue, I remember going to watch us last season at the Emirates when down to our bare bones we paired Mertesacker with Monreal, and actually Monreal was the one who looked more disciplined and controlled and Mertesacker was ponderous.
Gabriel and Koscielny could be an excellent central defensive partnership but it's one that should have been deployed at the beginning of the season, Mertesacker is still capable of good games but he's far too slow and for someone so tall he gets taken advantage of too often aerially.
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It reeks of Wenger. If we can mentally turn up to one game but not the next then what conclusions can we draw? we can say the players are at least capable of approaching certain games in the correct frame of mind. So they don't lack that capability. Then we need to determine whose job it is to prepare the team, mentally, physically and technically before they step onto the pitch. This is where Wenger is so dishonest. He'll say the team lacked this, or the team lacked that. He's been saying it for years. Different teams, different players, countless permutations. Can every player he's brought in over the last 10 years lack the mental strength to challenge for honours? Did Ozil lack that strength at Madrid? Did Cech lack it in chavland? Do the players lack mental strength when they go on International duty, and if so why are they selected? Isn't it high time Wenger admitted that HE lacks the mental strength to challenge for the big prizes? Because that's what his record in the PL and CL clearly demonstrates over the past decade. Or has he really just been unlucky year after year? He's blaming other teams for tapping his players up now, although that excuse was only good for one game as it turned out. I see a man who has nothing left personally, in charge of a shit load of resources making a ton of excuses about why he can't deliver what he has been paid to deliver. Although it could also be said he's delivering exactly what he's paid for - profits for the few and fuck the football provided we don't drop below a minimum standard. In the latter case that would make him a liar.
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Well I'm talking about more blocks, more tackles, more interceptions, more of the attributes that make a defender. Twice as many in fact. I'm not talking about broccoli heads consumed per minute or red lines in a squad that's always ravaged by injury regardless. TWICE as many, not just a slight deviation. But you are trying to discredit the performances based on mistakes made in the last match. And by doing that you are trying to bypass my reasoning we should go with the defender the is not only better suited to this league but demonstrably offers more. It's a spirited defence of Mertesacker but there aren't many people buying the idea he's a top defender any more.
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Oh I agree it's his fault for letting this mentality fester, and what he said yesterday even before the game was just a joke about our title challenges coming unstuck because the players were being tapped up.
Shocking abrogation of his responsibilities
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