Well I would, because it's a load of bullshit.Originally Posted by Özim
Last year we finished 3rd and won the Cup. People keep acting as if that is completely irrelevant to the debate.
Should that be the limit of our ambitions? No. Is that a side with serious problems and in need of a massive overhaul? No, of course not.
Getting a new manager, changing the tactics, the training, at least one new striker, a wide player (Theo/Ox just do not cut it), someone to play alongside Coquelin and maybe even a CB and a back-up keeper (once Ospina leaves) isn't a massive overhaul?
Yeah. Again. Last season. 3rd and the FA Cup.
LAST SEASON.
I hoped with the new money Wenger would push us on, the signings and Cup wins were rays of hope but this year it's clear he can't push us any further.
But we're not sliding anywhere. We're stagnating. We need to stop that but let's not overstate the problem.
In squad terms, no. Couple of key players are needed, that's all. A top striker and we'd have won the league this year.
3rd is nowhere, like I said before the CL noone gave a toss about that, I don't see that as an achievement because every season we just make up the numbers in the CL, it's not like we ever compete.
The FA Cup but we've certainly had good draws as well which has helped.
Rosicky, Wilshere, Jenkinson, Sanogo, Ospina, Walcott, Mertersacker, Arteta, Flamini all need to move on for various reasons and we need someone to replace Cazorla who's now 31 and isn't going to be around too much long, so we need a top striker a top DM a top CB and we need to replace some of those guys mentioned, that's an overhaul.
Look at our points total so far, less than last year and less than year before in a season where all the top teams have pretty much failed to live up to expectations and are replacing their managers, in my eyes there's plenty wrong with the current setup and we need a lot of personnel changes as well as significant work behind the scenes.
The there's the fact a new manager comes into a stale environment where one man has had total control and has ingrained his terrible methods throughout the club.
We're going to need a strong manager to deal with that.
But it goes beyond merely the squad. Changing the manager, approach to games, training, injuries etc are huge part of the problem. That's ignoring the larger malaise and mentality that has affected the squad(s) for years. A better striker this year couldn't have compensated for using Flamini/Ramsey partnership that led to such chaos and a decline in our game, for example.
Well yes we do because there's quite a few players we can't rely on, we've got to get rid of those who haven't performed and those always injured, that's a fair amount of changes, in addition to the must signings required.
You're totally ignoring some of the other issues.
Well no, it isn't. It's 3rd best. We should be aiming higher, but it's hardly a sign of a side with as big a problem as you're inferring.
A top striker (and possibly a different manager) and we'd have won the league this year.
And no, we haven't had unusually easy draws in the FA Cup. I went through a couple of previous cup winners' runs prior to us and showed that there wasn't anything unusually easy about it. You ignored that, of course.
I'll ignore the rest of that sentence because you're WUMming, but I do agree that it will be hard for any new manager to come in because Wenger has fingers in far too many pies at Arsenal.The there's the fact a new manager comes into a stale environment where one man has had total control
A winner will tell you 3rd is nowhere, the top clubs aren't interested in finishing 2nd or 3rd because that's losing, do you see Barcelona celebrating coming 2nd, or indeed Man City, Chelsea or Man U? Celebrating that achievment is really a loser's mentality.
Yes I remember you going through it, pretty much all home draws in the 1st cup win, some against decent teams but home games always give you an advantage.
Last season we played Man U away, a team who were struggling for any kind of form, not hard draws in reality however you sugar coat them.
It will be hard so we'll have to give a new manager some time, I'm hoping we get a manager with a strong personnality who wants to instill discipline and tactics because that will help, but I'm worried Wenger will have a say, really don't want a guy like Stojkovic.
Collapse and let the gypos overhaul us last year? - Once first is gone it's "understandable".
Hear Wenger getting criticised for settling for 3rd place? - It's 3rd best you know!
You're the worst #WengerOut member ever!
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