Match Reaction - Arsenal 1-2 Watford - Wenger Out

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Not sure any of it happened, not unless more information has cropped up. The people who were there say it was a bit of shouting and fronting up that amounted to nothing.

Saw video and that tends to affirm what you just said, but either way it's unedifying and undignified.

[Power n Glory]

I'm suggesting one individual clearly delights in us losing, that individual definitely doesn't represent the core fanbase who are devastatingly disappointed even though it was predictable, because in matters of football you do allow the heart to rule the head.
Where is Zim when there are good results, not just this season but in general. The guy feeds off the negativity.

The responses to Wenger on here are 95% within my own line of thinking, I want him to go and can think of no reason for him to stay beyond the end of the season.

But I don't welcome defeat to make that more likely an occurrence, can Zim really say the same?

Traffic goes into overdrive after bad results and people tend to vent. Hence the emergence of Arsenal Fan TV and some of the characters.

It's not as if he's come in here sniping at posters with 'I told you so' but I think his presence on the board causes some resentment. It's because you know deep down that some of the things been said were right and a lot of fans have lost it with Wenger.

[Globalgunner]

I'm suggesting one individual clearly delights in us losing, that individual definitely doesn't represent the core fanbase who are devastatingly disappointed even though it was predictable, because in matters of football you do allow the heart to rule the head.
Where is Zim when there are good results, not just this season but in general. The guy feeds off the negativity.

The responses to Wenger on here are 95% within my own line of thinking, I want him to go and can think of no reason for him to stay beyond the end of the season.

But I don't welcome defeat to make that more likely an occurrence, can Zim really say the same?

I dont know what you are on about but its basically nonsense. Zim has been right about Wenger for years while the most of you have been saying the opposite. The signs have been there for years but the yearly St Totteringhams cup has been keeping many of you sated, buying into the 2% away from domination fools gold stories.
Its been widely stated that if things dont get worse, then Wenger wont go. Another 3rd FA cup this year and you would probably be chortling 3 in a row. Wenger delivers the barest minimum, has done for a decade now. Do you think Wenger will ever leave on his own steam?. 2 years ago. You and I discussed the possibility of Wenger extending his current contract, you didnt believe it possible. If the conditions were right you can bet he would. Time has not moved on for him, every season he believes he is going to fulfill great expectations. Players leave after seeing his ineffective methods yield failure after failure, we blame the players. Yes its not appropo to say I told you so, but a few of us actually did, years ago, So instead on railing on Zim for telling you what you wished not to hear, you should suck it up and stop feigning offence.
Some fool a few months back said Wenger haters blamed Wenger for all the problems in their life, Bullshit!. We are here for the club, not Wenger, seeing mediocrity passed off as competing is not for everyone. I personally see no reason to apologise for that.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

No this is a guy who openly stated that he wouldn't want us to win the title even if he thought it was possible because we didn't deserve it, no you should want us to win it because this is the club you profess to support.

Wenger rage is ephemeral, I first started calling for his head after the 8-2 game in 2011 (rather foolishly in hindsight I said that Van Gaal was the man to come in short term and replace him). It isn't blinkered faith in the manager that causes fans to hope for the best despite there being evidence to suggest a collapse was predictable, it's just ultimately acknowledging the powerlessness of the fans in the situation and what we think is irrelevant.
Equally to fold your arms like a smug gloating git and say "I told you so" doesn't mean any greater insight into the game.

[Power n Glory]

No this is a guy who openly stated that he wouldn't want us to win the title even if he thought it was possible because we didn't deserve it, no you should want us to win it because this is the club you profess to support.

Wenger rage is ephemeral, I first started calling for his head after the 8-2 game in 2011 (rather foolishly in hindsight I said that Van Gaal was the man to come in short term and replace him). It isn't blinkered faith in the manager that causes fans to hope for the best despite there being evidence to suggest a collapse was predictable, it's just ultimately acknowledging the powerlessness of the fans in the situation and what we think is irrelevant.
Equally to fold your arms like a smug gloating git and say "I told you so" doesn't mean any greater insight into the game.

A few years back a few posters were making the argument that City and Chelsea fans shouldn't be celebrating their title wins because the titles were bought. So why is it so hard to understand that some fans feel we don't deserve the title with the way we're playing? I understand that point of view.

It's bad enough we've had to depend on our rivals being the weakest but seeing us struggle like this is truly pathetic. Plus I'm torn. Regardless of the outcome, I don't want Wenger here any longer. It's a catch 22 because of he wins the title he'll feel vindication and it will be business as usual. I can't stomach that just as much as I can't stomach this total embarrassment.

Me personally, if we manage to win the title, it won't be the one to shout about. Also, there really isn't any need to clarify your stance on Wenger for this one. It's not really relevant. It doesn't make you more or less of a fan whichever way you swing.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Saw video and that tends to affirm what you just said, but either way it's unedifying and undignified.

Not unlike your face.

[Letters]

[Niall_Quinn]

Not unlike your face.

You bastard. I did all the set up graft on that and was looking forward to the punch line.

Thanks. You're welcome.

[Kano]

I dont know what you are on about but its basically nonsense. Zim has been right about Wenger for years while the most of you have been saying the opposite. The signs have been there for years but the yearly St Totteringhams cup has been keeping many of you sated, buying into the 2% away from domination fools gold stories.
Its been widely stated that if things dont get worse, then Wenger wont go. Another 3rd FA cup this year and you would probably be chortling 3 in a row. Wenger delivers the barest minimum, has done for a decade now. Do you think Wenger will ever leave on his own steam?. 2 years ago. You and I discussed the possibility of Wenger extending his current contract, you didnt believe it possible. If the conditions were right you can bet he would. Time has not moved on for him, every season he believes he is going to fulfill great expectations. Players leave after seeing his ineffective methods yield failure after failure, we blame the players. Yes its not appropo to say I told you so, but a few of us actually did, years ago, So instead on railing on Zim for telling you what you wished not to hear, you should suck it up and stop feigning offence.
Some fool a few months back said Wenger haters blamed Wenger for all the problems in their life, Bullshit!. We are here for the club, not Wenger, seeing mediocrity passed off as competing is not for everyone. I personally see no reason to apologise for that.

The easiest thing to do is predict doom and gloom because inevitably everything comes to an end so most of the time you'll be proved right. The hardest thing to do in any aspect of life is to remain positive and try to see the best in things. If people were wrong to think that, big deal. Half the point of following a team is escape and hope that they can put a smile on your face after 90 minutes. No fan is naive for wanting that or believing Wenger could have done that for them. I can be extremely cynical about a lot of things but even I recognise it's an easier position to take when I step back from it.

And quite frankly no-one cares who said what years ago. Do you win extra internet points for making a 50/50 call and getting it right? Not exactly Nostradamus levels of predictions going on there. Once people have been told 'I told you so' then what happens next? Most of us fans are stuck in the same boat in terms of our emotions, so right or wrong years ago, we're all feeling shit now. The whole pro/anti Wenger split amongst Arsenal fans has been absolutely pathetic to see. One calling the other one names because of the manager when in reality we're all here for the same thing; to support and want the best for Arsenal.

I think it was Master Splinter (poster) who jokingly said that about blaming Wenger for the problems in our life, given the endless e-rage and abuse that gets thrown at the manager by muppets desperate to vent their anger online. Wishing injuries on players, ill health on the manager, hoping for defeats and calling everyone a cunt. If ever a word has lost its effectiveness recently it is definitely that one.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

A few years back a few posters were making the argument that City and Chelsea fans shouldn't be celebrating their title wins because the titles were bought. So why is it so hard to understand that some fans feel we don't deserve the title with the way we're playing? I understand that point of view.

It's bad enough we've had to depend on our rivals being the weakest but seeing us struggle like this is truly pathetic. Plus I'm torn. Regardless of the outcome, I don't want Wenger here any longer. It's a catch 22 because of he wins the title he'll feel vindication and it will be business as usual. I can't stomach that just as much as I can't stomach this total embarrassment.

Me personally, if we manage to win the title, it won't be the one to shout about. Also, there really isn't any need to clarify your stance on Wenger for this one. It's not really relevant. It doesn't make you more or less of a fan whichever way you swing.

Deserved or not, it's ridiculous for a fan to say they'd rather we didn't win it. We haven't won it in 12 years it would be absurd to be anything other than celebratory if we somehow managed it.
Does it change anything? No clearly not, I have no issues with fans who say Wenger should go even if we did win the title it would for me make perfect sense for him to go out on a high.

But bottom line is this is Arsenal football club and it's acceptable for a fan to detest the manager, detest the players, detest the style of football we play but it's not acceptable to hope we don't win things.