Match Reaction - Arsenal 1-2 Watford - Wenger Out

[Özim]

Out of intetest, who would you go for?. Because as someone who obviously thinks of the clubs long term benefit as much as you have must be constantly thinking of the best person to take us forward.

Simeone would be my choice, his teams whilst not the most expansive are organised and efficient and he's proved he can take on the best with a much smaller budget.

[Power n Glory]

Keeping us in the top 4 from 06-12 was more impressive than the 2 cup wins, though as a supporter I value the latter more of course. Best players leaving every year, average replacements and spending bugger all, some years we were actually in profit. If we had fallen out of the top 4 in this period with the stadium still to pay off, without the aid of bumper sponsorship and TV deals, I'd wager we'd have been floating around insignificantly like Liverpool are now.

Sadly though, his inability to elevate us again had been long suspected during the barren years and that's finally been ratified this season.

It would be impressive if he kept us top 4 if there were 4 other genuine title contenders in the league that had similar or more resources than us.

[Marc Overmars]

It would be impressive if he kept us top 4 if there were 4 other genuine title contenders in the league that had similar or more resources than us.

Well Spurs probably should have finished above us at least twice in that period and Liverpool post-Benitez spent a hell of a lot and finished miles off.

Wenger is finished now but I don't think he should be absolved of credit for things that he did manage to do.

[Bumble]

Keeping us in the top 4 from 06-12 was more impressive than the 2 cup wins, though as a supporter I value the latter more of course. Best players leaving every year, average replacements and spending bugger all, some years we were actually in profit. If we had fallen out of the top 4 in this period with the stadium still to pay off, without the aid of bumper sponsorship and TV deals, I'd wager we'd have been floating around insignificantly like Liverpool are now.

Sadly though, his inability to elevate us again had been long suspected during the barren years and that's finally been ratified this season.

But even between those years... it wasn't a case of scrimping and saving. We still had the 3rd or 4th highest wage bill. So we should be finishing at least 4th. Regardless of buying/selling players. People always forget how high our wage bill was. I think the season Spuds nearly beat us to 4th thanks to Lasagne-gate... our wage bill was £1m a week higher.

Wenger joined Arsenal at the perfect time, he has an amazing knowledge of the French league at a time just before France were kings of the world. He was able to exploit that competitive advantage and building on a strong core from previous regimes was able to create something magical. Something that will probably never ever be bettered as an arsenal fan. However, the stadium move allowed him to embark on a project that he tried and failed at Monaco of building a young highly paid team. This did not succeed and then he has begun adding experience and splashing the cash on some huge signings and yet we are still struggling relatively. It is the same year in year out and next year will be the same as I cant see Wenger going anywhere as we will scrap into the top 4 as we are about to go on our end of season run to ensure that once we are knocked out of the CL.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Simeone would be my choice, his teams whilst not the most expansive are organised and efficient and he's proved he can take on the best with a much smaller budget.

And the likelihood of being able to get Simeone in your view would be?.

[Özim]

And the likelihood of being able to get Simeone in your view would be?.

I don't see why we can't get him, we're a bigger club than Athletico with greater resources. The likelyness of getting him however is very, very slim because Wenger will be here for the foreseeable future a nothing will change since the stadium will remain full and money will keep rolling in.

Our only hope is that Wenger quits because he can't take the criticism, which again is highly unlikely.

In this scenario I expect to be going through the same collapse next season at around this time, just like every season, I hold no hope that it will be different.

[Marc Overmars]

But even between those years... it wasn't a case of scrimping and saving. We still had the 3rd or 4th highest wage bill. So we should be finishing at least 4th. Regardless of buying/selling players. People always forget how high our wage bill was. I think the season Spuds nearly beat us to 4th thanks to Lasagne-gate... our wage bill was £1m a week higher.

I know our wage bill was high but just because they were paid more doesn't make them better players. It was a case of poor judgement on our part and the fact we could meet the demands of a player with CL money anyway. As a little example Modric and Van Der Vaart were on relative peanuts at Spurs yet we had players like Denilson, Bendtner, Chamakh etc who I suspect were earning a lot more.

Look at the level of guys we were signing in that period, I have to give Wenger credit for what he did there.

[Özim]

It means we can sign players like Ozil and Sanchez.

Not entirely convinced to be honest, other clubs have signed top players without being in the CL, it's more about ambition and the manager and how much you'll pay.

Man U won't have a problem signing top players for example, neither will Chelsea.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

viera is the most recent ex player to voice his opinion about how disrespectful us fans are for daring to question Wenger and going on about what he has done in the past for the club. We all know what he did in the past - but it's in the past!!

Has Paddy actually said that?

Jesus, I'm losing so much respect for him. The guy's cut his strings with the club to chase money with the Sheikhs and now he wants to lecture us? It's ludicrous for the likes of him and Beckham, sitting in their ivory towers, detached from the day to day going ons and the emotional drain it is to support Arsenal, to preach about how we should behave towards Wenger.

I mean the stuff at the Stoke train station last year was clearly too far, just yelling profanities and vile abuse is vulgar but a banner which says "Arsene, Thanks for the memories but it's time to say goodbye" is pretty respectful and conveys what most fans think now.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't see why we can't get him, we're a bigger club than Athletico with greater resources. The likelyness of getting him however is very, very slim because Wenger will be here for the foreseeable future a nothing will change since the stadium will remain full and money will keep rolling in.

Our only hope is that Wenger quits because he can't take the criticism, which again is highly unlikely.

In this scenario I expect to be going through the same collapse next season at around this time, just like every season, I hold no hope that it will be different.

And yet despite that belief you are still happy for us to lose in the hope that something is done?.

That's what I don't understand.