Match Reaction - Arsenal 1-2 Watford - Wenger Out

[Özim]

And yet despite that belief you are still happy for us to lose in the hope that something is done?.

That's what I don't understand.

I'm still hopeful he might buckle under the criticism, what's clear is he doesn't take kindly to be criticised, he just walks away. We need more people putting more pressure on him.

In the past he's put a short run of games where he's gone unbeaten to quell the pressure, if he doesn't do this he might not be able to deal with it.

In addition fans may make things more uncomfortable for the club, will attendances drop unlikely, but I guess you never know if they've finally had enough.

Maybe one more false dawn might tip people over the edge.

[Kano]

Attendances won't drop because of the tens of thousands on the waiting lists and the increasing amount of overseas visitors who attend PL matches. People love the the club and want the chance to see their team play regularly.

Liverpool fans walked out - but the vast majority stayed there to finish the match - and then the stadium would've been full again for the next home game, even if they hadn't of changed the prices.

To stop going to home matches isn't like changing your shopping habits. The owners of all football clubs know they have supporters over a barrel, so they and the TV companies take absolute liberties with them to exploit that fact.

[Power n Glory]

Well Spurs probably should have finished above us at least twice in that period and Liverpool post-Benitez spent a hell of a lot and finished miles off.

Wenger is finished now but I don't think he should be absolved of credit for things that he did manage to do.

Credit for the consistency but I don't think it's that impressive. Liverpool and Spurs have spent badly and appointed some dud managers plus swapped them too often. Liverpool were more of threat to us with Benitez. A flawed manager but had experience winning La Liga at least and they topped us 3 times whilst he was in charge, I think. Kenny Daglish, Hodgson and Rogers were never on Wenger's level. Same goes for Spurs managers.Martin Jol had no business nearly topping us. AVB came close after that but again, he had experience of winning a league title with Porto and was only given a season.

It would be more impressive for Wenger to get a top 4 in the coming seasons. If Man Utd appoint a good coach, Pep going to City, Klopp at Liverpool and if Chelsea appoint someone of equal experience of winning titles, we're in for a dog fight.

[Power n Glory]

I know our wage bill was high but just because they were paid more doesn't make them better players. It was a case of poor judgement on our part and the fact we could meet the demands of a player with CL money anyway. As a little example Modric and Van Der Vaart were on relative peanuts at Spurs yet we had players like Denilson, Bendtner, Chamakh etc who I suspect were earning a lot more.

Look at the level of guys we were signing in that period, I have to give Wenger credit for what he did there.

We had Cesc, Nasri, Rosicky, Song, RVP, Arshavin, Adebayor....

We had a lot of quality players compared to Spurs.

[Xhaka Can’t]

The game against Watford didn't make me angry at all, there was something almost comically predictable about it.

But again I reiterate I wanted us to win that game, can Zim say the same?

I was gutted by losing to Chelsea (well not gutted absolutely frothing at the mouth angry) and id agree the more frequently you lose the more you become desensitised to it but the overall feeling of failing to win a title is still gutting regardless of whether you could see it coming or not.

I feel completely jaded and have felt for some time now. I've been pretty quiet and passive when watching, both at the ground or whenever I can be bothered to watch on TV.

But when Welbeck missed that chance in injury time, I went fucking apoplectic like I haven't done in ages - about anything.

Why?

Because even though I've told myself over and over that I can't be bothered and I don't really care, subconsciously, I clearly do.

It is the curse of the fan.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I feel completely jaded and have felt for some time now. I've been pretty quiet and passive when watching, both at the ground or whenever I can be bothered to watch on TV.

But when Welbeck missed that chance in injury time, I went fucking apoplectic like I haven't done in ages - about anything.

Why?

Because even though I've told myself over and over that I can't be bothered and I don't really care, subconsciously, I clearly do.

It is the curse of the fan.

Or course and I get that completely.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Maybe frustration plays a part but his actions or lack of them give me the opinion I have formed on the situation. Of course ability comes into question, I do question whether he was it takes to win the major prizes given the current circumstances. But for me he simply does not do enough or take the required action for someone who has the desire to win. Take for example Fergie at United, to win his last championship he went out and bought RVP off us, that was all, he identified the major weakness in the United team and sort to rectify it. Wenger for example would never do that, not because he doesn't have the ability, but simply because he doesn't have the desire to do what is necessary to push this team on. Not addressing glaring weaknesses in the team has nothing to do with his ability IMO.

I don't think he's fixated with money, but I think he is someone comfortable with his objectives set at Arsenal, he's in a unique position.

Wenger wouldn't last a season at somewhere like Real Madrid or PSG, not if carried on working in this manner. They would have sacked him a long time ago.

I think you'll find that he did.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...al/3659835.stm

[Ernesto]

I feel completely jaded and have felt for some time now. I've been pretty quiet and passive when watching, both at the ground or whenever I can be bothered to watch on TV.

But when Welbeck missed that chance in injury time, I went fucking apoplectic like I haven't done in ages - about anything.

Why?

Because even though I've told myself over and over that I can't be bothered and I don't really care, subconsciously, I clearly do.

It is the curse of the fan.

Haha- that Welbeck injury time chance- I was exactly the same.

An anguished cry of despair. Haven't expressed emotion so openly with respect to Arsenal in a long time.

[Power n Glory]

I think the neighbours heard me. Only a few incidents this season that has sparked a reaction like that.

[Niall_Quinn]

I would say that anyone who accepts mediocrity is the person who wants to see Arsenal lose. You don't need to cheer for a loss to want a loss. All you need to do is accept 4th place as an achievement and you willingly become part of the problem that guarantees failure. It's simple enough to understand why some fans so badly want losers purged they are prepared to push the inevitable in the hope it engineers a favourable outcome. It's a sound enough strategy, only complicated by loyalty issues that still linger in corporate sport. I mean SO WHAT if some fans want the team to lose? Does it matter? The team will lose regardless. They are losers after all. Losers with failure baked in by the biggest mediocrity in world football - the fraud Wenger. These are the facts, I'm afraid. It's all laid out in the record books and can't be denied. We don't win, we don't compete. What we do well is compile excuses, every excuse imaginable, to try to explain why we don't win and we don't compete. It's a habit losers have.

You won't find Real Madrid or Manchester Utd or Barcelona or Juventus or even the dopers like the chavs, gypos and P$G bragging about consistently losing titles. We lost the title 10 years in a row! When do you hear them say that? At Arsenal, we put a spin on failure, that's all. Consistent failure turned on its head and dressed up as achievement and even virtue. Total bullshit. Who buys it?

If you want to organise a pension then get Wenger. He will guarantee you safe returns season after season. But when he moves his pension fund methods into a football club then maybe it's okay to hope his fund tanks, just to see him out on his arse. This is CorporateBall now. That loyalty thing, we never want the team to lose, we must finish above the spuds, why are we bothered about such things if we then also turn around and say it's an achievement to fail 22 times out of 22 in terms of fulfilling the purpose of the sport we are engaged in? fuck it, in for a penny. If losing is your thing and you are actually proud of it then do it in style FFS - own it.

Or if you want to be on a poster with Arsenal Fan stamped under your mugshot, then go the whole other way. Demand success. Fucking demand it. The next time I hear a "fan" say we can't be expected to win the title every year I'm going to think about punching his lights out and then not bother. Win or lose. In life there is every shade of grey between. In sport it's binary. Did you win? Yes or no. What the fuck do you mean you came 4th? What the fuck does that mean? What does it matter?

As for the Ozil and Alexis thing - why are they even here? I mean, what's the point? Don't go fooling yourself they are here to win things. Because if that was the case we'd have at least COMPETED by now. We aren't doing even that. So we lose Ozil and Alexis. What difference will that make if the team isn't geared to winning in the first place? I'm sure we can grab another glorious 4th place "win" without Ozil and Alexis. We've done it before and we can do it again and again and again and again and again...