Match Reaction Everton 0-2 Arsenal - WUMger Out

[Letters]

Wow, you love to find reasons to discredit someone's criticisms' of him don't you, it's almost like you worship the guy.

No, I just don't hate him

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Sigh what are you doing Arsene?

Surely you realise that the toxic atmosphere was only born from the team spectacularly & comically once again blowing a chance to win the league at the critical point due to piss poor management. And probably the best chance we'll get in years at that!!

[Özim]

No, I just don't hate him

Really? You don't say.

Tell me more...

[Niall_Quinn]

He hasn't 'blamed' the fans but that doesn't mean the toxic atmosphere, while understandable, is helpful.

It's helpful if it forces long overdue changes. Otherwise what's to stop this shit continuing for the next 20 years? If everyone stays silent in case they upset the 100K per week, I drive a Lamborghini, here's my latest tweet, players and nobody criticises the Top 4 Trophy manager and nobody raises complaint against the nothing in, that'll be £3million please, owner then where does the pressure come from? The owner is happy. The manager is happy. The players are happy. The fans are scalped. We can all play happy families but why must the fans be the odd one out in terms of having to grasp the shitty end of the stick and like it?

[Niall_Quinn]

And if the fans are suddenly so important to a club that "thanks us for our interest in their affairs", and if the manager and the players continue to fuck up and can't get the job done - then let the fans pick the team and set the tactics. That way we'll be more than spectators, we'll be responsible for what goes on on the pitch and maybe then the criticism will be warranted. Until then it should be the greedy owner and the non-performing manager and his players who carry the can when it all goes to shit.

[alexander]

Even a title wouldn't suffice because the lack of trophies isn't what the fans are complaining about. It's the lack of ambition and the failure to compete for trophies. Wenger doesn't get this at all. He points at FA Cups and states everything is okay, as if the trophies explain or excuse the failure to compete at the highest level or brush away the routine collapses his teams suffer whenever pressure is applied. Everyone has a smile on their face after the first half display against Everton. That's what I, and I suspect most fans, want to see. A well thought out team with a plan, tactics to suit the opponent, ambitious play, commitment and focus from the players and, above all, entertaining football with an end product. The smile soured when Wenger went negative in the second half and we reverted to what the fans have been complaining about, ponderous, unambitious football played to the law of averages. Taking what we had when we could have pressed on and taken more. We've had to put up with that sort of football all season and the seasons before. It doesn't work, it doesn't serve us beyond securing entry into a European tournament we have zero chance of winning because the team isn't good enough and the manager isn't good enough. At a club like Arsenal we should at least have a chance in every competition we enter. We should at least be able to achieve what Leicester and the spuds are doing this season. There's no excuse for anything less. If we give it everything but don't come out with the trophy then that's understandable, there's only one trophy and sometimes you have to hold your hands up and accept another club did a little but more to win it. But of you haven't poured every effort into trying to win the trophy, that's when it becomes unacceptable. When you haven't done the maximum possible in the transfer windows, when you haven't done everything you can to prepare before the games, when you haven't given it everything on the pitch. This is the complaint and the reason Wenger has to go is because he just doesn't understand it. He thinks we should be grateful to be a mediocre Last 16 Cup ever present. He thinks that's an achievement to crow about.

I take your point about the second half at Everton, but under the circumstances this time I will accept that we backed off, as the results have been so very poor recently that he probably thought he couldnt be beaten again.
On a usual day i get a tad annoyed by his mannor of taking off attacking MF and forward to replace them with a defensive MF like Flam, or Gibbs in midfield. This only ever seems to draw pressure upon us. I would rather he brought on a outlet for the ball, someone like Theo, Joel etc that gives us an option. Too often it backfires on us. Maybe not the best example, but on saturday West ham, having been pegged back to 1-1 brought on attacking players and went for it and got another goal. Now they did end up 2-2, but the manager did go for it, and if we were in a similar situation Im sure wenger would have opted for the draw and gone defensive. Chelsea used to do this under Mour, but their defender and defensive midfield were much better than what we had/have on offer. For years now even at 3-0 up at 60 mins, I wouldnt be totally confident that we will close out the game. We just make it hard for ourselves at times.
I will let the everton game go, as we were too terrified to lose, but wish we would just stop going defensive later in games, we cant defend and our attack (as crap as it can be) is still better than our defense.

[Gooner23]

He hasn't 'blamed' the fans but that doesn't mean the toxic atmosphere, while understandable, is helpful.

Maybe not outright, but as good as much. He is certainly pointing an accusing finger. Our poor performances stretch back much further than the recent heavy criticism. And the atmosphere isn't that toxic (yet) anyway, it's going to get a lot worse your feel.

[GP]

Maybe not outright, but as good as much. He is certainly pointing an accusing finger. Our poor performances stretch back much further than the recent heavy criticism. And the atmosphere isn't that toxic (yet) anyway, it's going to get a lot worse your feel.

I'm not sure. Winning games feels good. You pick up 3 points and most people go home happy.

There will always be a few who won't be satisfied but I feel it won't be enough to force change.

[Gooner23]

I think this season feels different in that a lot of 'on the fencers', myself included, are now firmly in the Wenger out camp. And we haven't really seen the vocal criticism of Kroenke up until now. Winning a few games in the run in won't count for anything. This season has been a monumental fuck up, probably the biggest of Arsene's reign. Deep down he must know it, surely Gazidis is savvy enough to know it. I won't hold my breath though.

[Power n Glory]

I take your point about the second half at Everton, but under the circumstances this time I will accept that we backed off, as the results have been so very poor recently that he probably thought he couldnt be beaten again.
On a usual day i get a tad annoyed by his mannor of taking off attacking MF and forward to replace them with a defensive MF like Flam, or Gibbs in midfield. This only ever seems to draw pressure upon us. I would rather he brought on a outlet for the ball, someone like Theo, Joel etc that gives us an option. Too often it backfires on us. Maybe not the best example, but on saturday West ham, having been pegged back to 1-1 brought on attacking players and went for it and got another goal. Now they did end up 2-2, but the manager did go for it, and if we were in a similar situation Im sure wenger would have opted for the draw and gone defensive. Chelsea used to do this under Mour, but their defender and defensive midfield were much better than what we had/have on offer. For years now even at 3-0 up at 60 mins, I wouldnt be totally confident that we will close out the game. We just make it hard for ourselves at times.
I will let the everton game go, as we were too terrified to lose, but wish we would just stop going defensive later in games, we cant defend and our attack (as crap as it can be) is still better than our defense.

The subs were pointless and it’s poor man management that comes back to bite us. Besides inviting pressure on ourselves, it does nothing for players like Campbell or off form attacking players that need game time to find their momentum. I really can’t understand why Campbell’s been frozen out and not rewarded with a start considering his contribution over recent games.