Did Walcott dive for the red card?

[Cripps_orig]

Young is a better crosser, uses his pace better, is a better dribbler and seems to have a better shot. Walcott has got pace and that's pretty much it, he does get chances but he fluffs a fair few as well, no striker is perfect of course but he's not a good enough finisher to play up front.

I'd take Young over Walcott any time of the week, pretty sure Ferguson would as well. I said in the summer Young will be a real weapon for Man U as his pace will change their game back to how it ws when Ronaldo was around, it seems to have already happened, faster than even I thought.

Mancs game is centred around Rooney. He didnt play yesterday and they should have lost as Stoke dominated.

Young like i said had a good start but has done f all for the past few games. Yes they have won but thats more down to Rooney than anything Young did.

Poor mans Theo. Has been for a while.

[Özim]

Mancs game is centred around Rooney. He didnt play yesterday and they should have lost as Stoke dominated.

Young like i said had a good start but has done f all for the past few games. Yes they have won but thats more down to Rooney than anything Young did.

Poor mans Theo. Has been for a while.

We'll agree to disagree, in time you'll see Walcott will amount to nothing for us whereas Young will just get better and better.

[Power n Glory]

You mean stats surely.

Problem with stats as mentioned many times before is that they don't show how much a player was involved and what elese he did, most people on here pretty much agree he was shite yesterday and yet the stats you point to seems to say he performed well.

I've never thought he was a good finisher and I stand by that, over the years he's missed a lot of easy chances when 5 yards away from goal which a good finisher would have put away, yesterday he missed an easy chance where he was all alone and had an age to decide what to do, what does he do? You guess it shoots lamely straight at the keeper....and this is far from a one off.

I know you've argued he should play up front, but IMO (and Shearer's and he should know as he's one of the best finishers every to play in Englan) his finishing isn't good enough.

You see your argument falls down because you think that just because someone is out of position they can show their ability, that's not true, I agree they won't be as effective as they could be but you would still see signs of talent.

IMO Walcott shows none of that, he's just pace and when you lump it over the top he'll chase it and probably win the chase but who wouldn't if they were quicker that another player?

Arshavin is a massive talent, you can see that even if he's not at his most effective where he plays, he still dribbles and tries to score goals and looks dangerous. Walcott lacks the talent.

That's a poor post. How many players in our squad at his age have made a difference in games? Goals and assists against top European teams? Last season he scorer 13 goals with 8 assists.

Vela plays out of position on the left and technically that kid is good but he has struggled badly here. Eduardo was struggling when he played out wide for us and when he was playing as a loan striker. Play any player in the wrong position and they lose a percentage of their game, it's common knowledge. Strikers miss chances, it happens. You can side with Shearer, I agree with Ian Wright. He's better making off the ball runs than dribbling with the ball at his feet. If you paid attention, then you'd see that. We'll dead this conversation because we'll end up going in circles. Just don't go missing when Theo scores his next goal or sets another up as you usually do.

If Theo was shit against Bolton then what about the rest of our attackers? They produced nothing.

[Cripps_orig]

We'll agree to disagree, in time you'll see Walcott will amount to nothing for us whereas Young will just get better and better.

Young is what, 26? Doubt he'll get much better than what he is now and what he is now is pretty average. Has his good games sure but plenty of shit ones. He was awful last season where he was outshone by Downing, yes Downing whos shite.

Theo at 22 will get better and better. Had a good game yesterday and more of that will be welcomed. Hoping the Oxface pub teamer can be as good as Theo

[Coney]

People are dissing Theo for some of his misses and mis-reading of what to do. Fair enough - he makes mistakes. However, I bet a lot of the same people are saying how good this or that player is for some other team based on the stats of how many goals they score per match. As mentioned earlier in the thread, Walcott has already scored 3 goals this season which is not bad for a player on the wing, to say the least. If he maintains that rate (which he has achieved while we were mostly playing utter shit) he is on for 18-20 goals in the season which is a decent rate of scoring.

[Niall_Quinn]

He can't play as striker, it's people clutching as straws due to the fact he's rubbish on the wing too.

This. Walcott hasn't realised his potential. He's too stupid to play football. He has plenty of weapons but doesn't know how to use them and, more importantly, doesn't seem to learn either from experience or the many, many mistakes he repeatedly makes. Sad but true. Walcott will not get any better than he is now, which is far too inconsistent to play in a top team.

As for the comparison between Walcott and Young. Please. Young can do the basics well and he has a bit more on top, not the best player ever but coming into his prime. The way he has settled at Utd is impressive. Walcott, on the other hand, can luck his way into pulling off the odd trick but he hasn't even mastered the basics yet and I doubt he ever will.

The best thing about Walcott was he was level headed and seemed to have his feet planted. Now he's a big-mouth, always ready to spout more shit. He seems to see himself as a team leader, probably based more on who has left and certainly rather than what he's contributed and achieved.

I wouldn't be upset to see this guy go in the summer.

[Niall_Quinn]

If Theo was shit against Bolton then what about the rest of our attackers? They produced nothing.

RvP? He had a great, all round strikers performance. Theo will never be able to play at that level.

[Power n Glory]

RvP? He had a great, all round strikers performance. Theo will never be able to play at that level.

Besides RVP and I didn't hear such talk last season. Short memory.

[Boss]

Walcott is less technically skilled than probably 90% of our team, and still hasn't learned any way to beat players other than to knock the ball past them and run. When he loses his pace he'll be a useless player.

That said, he is becoming increasingly effective and allows us to stretch the play. His contribution towards goals and assists speak for themselves. We're playing him in the perfect formation but for some reason on the wrong side of it and he'd get more goals if he was cutting in. He does need to work on his handling of 1v1 situations - he can finish as we've seen but for some reason he chokes about 50% of the time.

All in all I think Walcott is a good weapon to have and it's vital we keep using him. However I do think it is rare he'll create a goal out of nothing and he'll never be a world class player. We should be working on developing AOC asap.

[Coney]

Walcott is less technically skilled than probably 90% of our team, and still hasn't learned any way to beat players other than to knock the ball past them and run. When he loses his pace he'll be a useless player.

That said, he is becoming increasingly effective and allows us to stretch the play. His contribution towards goals and assists speak for themselves. We're playing him in the perfect formation but for some reason on the wrong side of it and he'd get more goals if he was cutting in. He does need to work on his handling of 1v1 situations - he can finish as we've seen but for some reason he chokes about 50% of the time.

All in all I think Walcott is a good weapon to have and it's vital we keep using him. However I do think it is rare he'll create a goal out of nothing and he'll never be a world class player. We should be working on developing AOC asap.

Most strikers choke 50% of the time. People remember all their goals and not their misses.