Who Will Win The League - 2

[Özim]

Wenger never ever criticises or puts pressure on his players, all he ever does is praise them, is it any surprise they never feel they have any to prove.

You can blame the players but at the end of the day, he's the guy who signs them, picks them, doesn't bring in adequate cover to create competition and is suppose who drills them tactically.

Players who aren't leaders (something Wenger doesn't believe in anyway) need guidance and leadership from the touchline, Wenger doesn't offer this either.

The buck stops with Wenger for me, he has total control over what happens, if players don't perform he has to take the blame as he signs them, picks them and doesn't give them a kick up the arse when required.

[Özim]

We've enough players who have been there and done it at the business end of the season. Not 11, but in theory we should have enough strong characters to be doing better than we are.
I wouldn't say we have one dominant character like an Adams or Vieira though who drags them through when things aren't going our way.

All of those players who have won things maybe relied on stronger characters in the teams they played in, I don't see any real leaders in our team, haven't done for years and it shows but then Wenger doesn't believe in them so it's no surprise.

Wenger had a successful blueprint, but he chose to rip it up and do the opposite and has refused to change back to the winning formula, it's all very odd IMO.

I don't agree, we don't have enough strong characters, we have talent but no real leaders and haven't had for years, when the chips our down there's noone to pick them up

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger never ever criticises or puts pressure on his players, all he ever does is praise them, is it any surprise they never feel they have any to prove.

You can blame the players but at the end of the day, he's the guy who signs them, picks them, doesn't bring in adequate cover to create competition and is suppose who drills them tactically.

Players who aren't leaders (something Wenger doesn't believe in anyway) need guidance and leadership from the touchline, Wenger doesn't offer this either.

The buck stops with Wenger for me, he has total control over what happens, if players don't perform he has to take the blame as he signs them, picks them and doesn't give them a kick up the arse when required.

There are exceptions. Players that challenge him in some way (or he perceives as challenging him) will get criticised, usually in public. Ozil is the most recent example. If you are keeping your nose clean doing that stupid Twatter "we had a secret meeting", "we believe we can win it", "the dressing room is strong", bullshit then Wenger is happy. But come and and say we fucked up and Wenger will react. Rightly so, in some ways, because players shouldn't be raising certain issues in public. But Wenger often starts the ball rolling. His public criticism of Ozil for not scoring enough goals was a bullshit move.

[fakeyank]

Wonder which person at the club selects the players, and ultimately the captain... dont think its the manager.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

There are exceptions. Players that challenge him in some way (or he perceives as challenging him) will get criticised, usually in public. Ozil is the most recent example. If you are keeping your nose clean doing that stupid Twatter "we had a secret meeting", "we believe we can win it", "the dressing room is strong", bullshit then Wenger is happy. But come and and say we fucked up and Wenger will react. Rightly so, in some ways, because players shouldn't be raising certain issues in public. But Wenger often starts the ball rolling. His public criticism of Ozil for not scoring enough goals was a bullshit move.

This is the thing, Wenger doesn't believe in publically criticising his players but sometimes he tends to forget this belief system. But in most press conferences it's best to think of Wenger as a company PR man who always wants to State that there are "no Americans at the airport" even when it's manifestly untrue.
What he says to the players in private is anyone's guess, I am told he has bollocked players for their conduct in public....especially those pictured smoking. And the reason for dropping Szczesny in favour of the clearly inferior Ospina was made because of the lack of respect shown by Szczesny by smoking in the shower room, which is school boy behaviour and deserved to be punished.

I think we have seen there are sacred cows at Arsenal who are undroppable no matter how poor their form (Ramsey being the most recent example of this). And i think it's unlikely he launches into tirades at his players (but then again there are instances of counter examples even to this).

On the whole it's what Wenger does rather than what he says from where you can draw conclusions, because he's so enigmatic it's usually hard to get a handle on what he's thinking.

[Power n Glory]

Do you think its just something he says in public though? Behind the scenes he might give them a bit more grief? Although he does put too much faith in some players, more of a father than a manager. But then you could have someone who is too far the other way like Jose, who alienates and destroys players.

His actions and words are mostly consistent. He has stuck by certain players with his team selection and chosen not to buy a replacement which is why I think it's more than words.

[Letters]

Wenger never ever criticises or puts pressure on his players, all he ever does is praise them, is it any surprise they never feel they have any to prove.

We have no idea what he says behind the scenes. He doesn't publicly criticise the, but not should he - would you want your manager shouting at you in front of everyone? That would be extremely poor management.
The players should take some responsibility but yes, of course the buck stops with Wenger. He's responsible when we win the FA Cup, he's responsible when we fall apart when the title was there for the taking.

[Letters]

I don't agree, we don't have enough strong characters, we have talent but no real leaders and haven't had for years, when the chips our down there's noone to pick them up

Letters and Zim agreeing on something shock exclusive. IMO that is the biggest problem.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...hy-facilitator

Arsène Wenger details philosophy: ‘I’m a facilitator of what is beautiful in man’
• Arsenal manager talks about coaching style in interview with L’Equipe
• ‘I am only a guide. I allow others to express what they have in them

Arsène Wenger has lifted the lid on some of his deepest philosophies in a revealing interview with a French magazine.

The Arsenal manager, who goes into Sunday’s north London derby against Tottenham with his side level on points with the Premier League leaders, Manchester City, addressed a number of topics including religion and his obsession with time in an interview with L’Equipe’s Sport and Style magazine.

Asked if he has a “mystical power” over his players when he is preparing them for a match, Wenger replied: “Religiously, it is said that God created man. I am only a guide. I allow others to express what they have in them. I have not created anything. I am a facilitator of what is beautiful in man.

“I define myself as an optimist. My constant battle in this business is to get out there what is beautiful in man. We can at this level portray me as naive. At the same time, it allows me to believe it and it often gives me reason.”


Conducted at the Hotel Belles Rives – once the home of the American novelist F Scott Fitzgerald – in the south of France during the international break, the interview began by describing Wenger’s reaction to being dressed in a long grey flannel coat for a photoshoot. “It reminds me of when I went to school in Duttlenheim,” he remarked.

Wenger was then reminded he is approaching 7000 days as Arsenal’s manager having been appointed on 30 September 1996. “For me, it represents nothing other than the fact of practicing a profession exclusively facing forward. Look to the next day,” he said.

“I still live in the future. It is planned. Tight. My relationship with time is quite scary. I’m still trying to fight it. I’m always afraid of being late. Not to be ready. Not being able to accomplish all that I planned. My personal relationship with time is scary. To go back in time, to look behind yourself is equally staggering.”

Wenger added: “The only moment of possible happiness, is the present. The past gives regrets. And future uncertainties. Man quickly realised this and created the religion. It forgives him what he has done wrong in the past and tells him not to worry about the future, as you will go to paradise.”

As a player, Wenger was known for reading a passage from the Bible before matches but he admitted his attitude has altered since becoming a manager. “Unfortunately today, it works less! At the same time, fortunately, it means that my team does not necessarily need God to win.”

I was looking for the words to describe Wenger's coaching style and stumbled upon this. Is he too philosophical? I rarely here him talk about the technical aspect of the game. He always seems to be looking at spiritual and mental aspect of game. He's not ignorant to the trends in football either and seems to watch a lot of football so I don't get why he seems so far behind on certain things.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...hy-facilitator



I was looking for the words to describe Wenger's coaching style and stumbled upon this. Is he too philosophical? I rarely here him talk about the technical aspect of the game. He always seems to be looking at spiritual and mental aspect of game. He's not ignorant to the trends in football either and seems to watch a lot of football so I don't get why he seems so far behind on certain things.

Sounds like his philosophy is a wing and a prayer. In the present, I am not happy because of what happened in the past and will happen in the future, unless we get a new manager. It's not religion, it's common sense.