Match Reaction v West Brom (home) 15/16

[Marc Overmars]

I do discuss this a lot with my Brother who whilst certainly isn't an AKB, he is of the opinion that Wenger should not be sacked and deserves the entire length of his contract to try and achieve something....because he feels the club owes it to Wenger for his consistency in a period where he has had nothing to spend and had to sell our best players (yeah fair to say i don't agree with him).
He believes if Wenger is unable to win the title next season his contract should not be renewed, but he believes managers aren't given enough time and Wenger can only be judged on his performances from 2014 onwards (again i disagree with him)

Your brother would have a point if we weren't displaying exactly the same traits and pitfalls as we were when Wenger didn't have much money to spend. It doesn't matter what he spends or who he buys, he has proven without doubt he's not capable of getting his team to perform at the level of consistency required to challenge for the title. There just isn't enough of a drive to succeed at this club anymore and I put the blame solely on Wenger for that. He has been given ample opportunity to succeed, the kind of time most top managers would die for these days. He doesn't know how lucky he is because he would have been sacked multiple times by now at other top clubs.

[Kano]

I do discuss this a lot with my Brother who whilst certainly isn't an AKB, he is of the opinion that Wenger should not be sacked and deserves the entire length of his contract to try and achieve something....because he feels the club owes it to Wenger for his consistency in a period where he has had nothing to spend and had to sell our best players (yeah fair to say i don't agree with him).
He believes if Wenger is unable to win the title next season his contract should not be renewed, but he believes managers aren't given enough time and Wenger can only be judged on his performances from 2014 onwards (again i disagree with him)

I can't reallly add anything else to that apart from this whole AKB and AOB drives me absolutely mad (not aimed at yourself). It's quite possibly one of the gayest arguments I hear going round Arsenal fans. We're all here for one thing -to support the club. This split between those who still want the manager to stay and those who don't is infuriating, giving each other pathetic nicknames ffs.

[adzzzbatch]

Your brother would have a point if we weren't displaying exactly the same traits and pitfalls as we were when Wenger didn't have much money to spend. It doesn't matter what he spends or who buys, he has proven without doubt he's not capable of getting his team to perform at the level of consistency required to challenge for the title. There just isn't enough of a drive to succeed at this club anymore and I put the blame solely on Wenger for that. He has been given ample opportunity to succeed, the kind of time most top managers would die for these days. He doesn't know how lucky he is because he would have been sacked multiple times by now at other top clubs.

Spot on

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Your brother would have a point if we weren't displaying exactly the same traits and pitfalls as we were when Wenger didn't have much money to spend. It doesn't matter what he spends or who buys, he has proven without doubt he's not capable of getting his team to perform at the level of consistency required to challenge for the title. There just isn't enough of a drive to succeed at this club anymore and I put the blame solely on Wenger for that. He has been given ample opportunity to succeed, the kind of time most top managers would die for these days. He doesn't know how lucky he is because he would have been sacked multiple times by now at other top clubs.

I agree with you completely and have made that point to him, don't get me wrong.....he isn't one of those people who thinks this season is anyway acceptable. I think he just generally thinks that Wenger deserves the full three years.
I don't think he is quite as negative about the board as me, he doesn't believe long term the board will continue to see it as acceptable not to challenge for the title because in simple money terms they are missing out on the huge sponsorship and marketing deals that can only come about from a team that wins the big prizes.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I can't reallly add anything else to that apart from this whole AKB and AOB drives me absolutely mad (not aimed at yourself). It's quite possibly one of the gayest arguments I hear going round Arsenal fans. We're all here for one thing -to support the club. This split between those who still want the manager to stay and those who don't is infuriating, giving each other pathetic nicknames ffs.

I see what you are saying, but i think factionalism is a very human trait and people especially on social media make themselves very polarised and unalterable in their views.
My views on Wenger are largely fluid, i think for the past five years i have believed he wasn't the right man to take us forward but it's only in the last two months i have locked down on "he has to go".
I still like him personally and despite my doubt that he could, i have always wanted him to succeed as much to vindicate himself as much as for Arsenal

[Marc Overmars]

Spot on

Besides, even with money to spend his activity in the transfer market remains as conservative as ever. We're still talking about the need to sign players in positions we identified 4 years ago.

[adzzzbatch]

Besides, even with money to spend his activity in the transfer market remains as conservative as ever. We're still talking about the need to sign players in positions we identified 4 years ago.

It has been conservative but he has also spent a hell of a lot of money (130 million since 2013). But they've been players that we didn't need in positions we already had a surplus, simply just not good enough or wenger has never been able to the best out of them.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

it comes down to fundamental flaws in the manager's personality, as letters consistently points out all managers have different flaws......but not all managers have the total all encompassing control over the club that Arsene Wenger has, and this has been the problem.

He won't get a new scouting team because he lacks the ruthlessness to get rid of the current set up and does not like confrontation, this is the same approach he has taken with keeping Arteta and Flamini rather than recruiting younger, better players.

I'm sure he has the same issue with buying a striker, that somehow he wants to keep faith with Olivier Giroud rather than admit he's just not good enough

There is also the sense that a title victory will mean less to him if he's spent money bringing in the key components of the squad rather than developing the squad which he feels he achieved with previous title wins.

But the problem is that even the players he has to develop are costing a great deal of money now, Nicolas Anelka at 17 now would have cost us about 20million.

[Master Splinter]

No he bleeds green. It's funny cos that's the colour of money. In America. Still works though. Cos it's funny.

He bleeds cunt.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

He bleeds cunt.

can i assume you either didn't take or failed biology at school ?