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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Sorry don't agree, Ozil is simply being horrendously misused in a team with no quality up front.

    If we had someone putting away even half the chances he was creating for us, there wouldn't be a need for him to score more (and actually is there a midfielder in our squad who has scored more than him this season?)
    Stat wise it says Ozil created 5 chances and it also said Giroud created 4 chances. Which of those should have been buried without question? I'm not seeing quality chances created where i'm holding my head thinking that's a sitter.

    How is he being horrendously used? He's playing in his best position and he has the freedom to do what he wants. Where else should he be playing? If we had actually signed a striker like Suarez, we wouldn't need Ozil. The chances he's creating aren't that good. It's all on paper. I've seen better assists come from Iwobi recently. He needs to step his game and prdouce more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    This shows you how bad things have got that Wengers top cheerleader seems pessimistic

    Can argue over whether the fans should be getting behind the team more at home (what difference would it make?) but in some ways you can see where he's coming from. I've been to games where we are top of the league and the atmosphere is very subdued when things aren't immediately going well.
    That I should say is not a defence of the manager, but if for instance a new man did come in, then what......the atmosphere at the ground needs to be better to help this guy get the best performances out of his team. Wenger certainly has made the atmosphere sour, but in a broad sense Highbury was called the Library even before he came to us.

    I think what you are going to have unfortunately is fans almost frightened to vocally back the team because they won't want it to be seen as tacit support for the manager.
    Isn't it our incredibly boring football that kills the atmosphere, in part at least? You have to give the fans something to be interested in.
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    DT what a twat

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    He's being used to create chances that aren't being converted, has he dropped off somewhat towards the end of the season?. Yeah him and every fucking player on the pitch

    Over the course of the season he has created countless goal scoring opportunities and good ones as well...which weren't being taken.

    And where's my evidence?

    http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...-frank-lampard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Stat wise it says Ozil created 5 chances and it also said Giroud created 4 chances. Which of those should have been buried without question? I'm not seeing quality chances created where i'm holding my head thinking that's a sitter.

    How is he being horrendously used? He's playing in his best position and he has the freedom to do what he wants. Where else should he be playing? If we had actually signed a striker like Suarez, we wouldn't need Ozil. The chances he's creating aren't that good. It's all on paper. I've seen better assists come from Iwobi recently. He needs to step his game and prdouce more.

    What are you talking about? Giroud was a yard off everything today. Had nothing to do with the balls coming into him or into the space that he should be dominating as a striker.

    How the hell have some people managed to settle on Ozil as the problem when we desperately need a new manager and a new striker? Ozil is one of the last things this club has going for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    So what are you suggesting? They all go through whatever shit is happening on the training pitch Monday to Friday and then do their own thing on a Saturday?

    Wenger is the guy who decides how we'll play. Now it may be true he gives a degree of freedom to the players, but I doubt that extends to ditching the tippy, tappy and going for a more direct style. Wenger's stench is all over this.
    You saw the Sanchez goal scored against West Brom, right? That's what I need to see from Ozil because he's often the player to receive the ball within that sort of range. But he'll choose to pass or try a one two instead of going for goal like Sanchez did. Like most ACM in fact. He should be more a goal threat in that area and it's not as if Wenger hasn't said Ozil needs to score more goals. He really does. Despite the assists, he hasn't lead the team in difficult games and that's why he often gets criticised. It's not just for Arsenal. It's Germany as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    What are you talking about? Giroud was a yard off everything today. Had nothing to do with the balls coming into him or into the space that he should be dominating as a striker.

    How the hell have some people managed to settle on Ozil as the problem when we desperately need a new manager and a new striker? Ozil is one of the last things this club has going for it.
    Yeah, Giroud was a yard off everything but he created 4 chances according to the stats. When a few people talk of Ozil, they often point to the chances created as if that's the only thing he needs to contribute. I'm using Giroud as an example of how misleading that stat is. It was stale football. Also, if you're going to complain about tippy tappy football, at least acknowledge Ozil is one of the worst culprits when it comes to overplaying. Edge of the box, instead of trying to play a one two straight away, similar to what Giroud does when he touches the ball, why not take a couple of touches, try and shake your defender and have a go on goal? It's how Sanchez scored the other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    You saw the Sanchez goal scored against West Brom, right? That's what I need to see from Ozil because he's often the player to receive the ball within that sort of range. But he'll choose to pass or try a one two instead of going for goal like Sanchez did. Like most ACM in fact. He should be more a goal threat in that area and it's not as if Wenger hasn't said Ozil needs to score more goals. He really does. Despite the assists, he hasn't lead the team in difficult games and that's why he often gets criticised. It's not just for Arsenal. It's Germany as well.
    Honestly though - what are you on about? What are you saying? Our strikers are shit who it should be Ozil who gets the goals? Why? Wouldn't say no to him scoring more but I'm happy enough with what he does in a team full of players that are badly underperforming. So give Ozil 10 more goals. What difference would it make? It's the strikers that need to be tucking them away, like at Leicester and spudland. No coincidences anywhere here. Even they terrible gypos are third with the third highest scoring striker, who would have won the the title if he'd have stayed fit, btw.

    We don't have attacking midfielders OR strikers at this club and that's the problem. We have a whole batch of forward players that are supposed to fit in with the cuntish system Wenger has dreamed up. Nobody has any responsibility for anything. It sounds like your real criticism of Ozil is he should somehow overcome that and impose a more organised and purposeful system. Easier said than done with such an incredible idiot in charge.
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