Match Reaction vs Sunderland (away)

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Who cares if some fans are still behind the manager, it makes no difference to the problems the actual manager and the board are causing. It doesn’t stop people from putting up banners, or not turning up to games. What is more pathetic is this name calling of each other, AKB or AOB’s, fans arguing with each other on the terraces. Who cares if there are some fans who refuse to see the limitations of the manager – what actual difference does it make to anything? They are now clearly in the minority and not holding back the actions of anyone else. Like those of us who want the manager to leave, they see him staying as the best thing for the club. Nothing is being done out of malice or spite on the fans behalf, it is just a difference of opinion but for some reason both sides feel the need to shout down the other.

Are you actually being serious?....is your message why can't we just respect each others differences and get along......you have heard of these things called Wars haven't you?...it's human nature my friend.

[Letters]

Do you not think it's somewhat out of proportion to the actual situation though?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Agreed, he does himself no favours. I'd personally never hurl OTT abuse at him because it's not my style, but frankly I don't have any sympathy for him anymore when it does happen. He's shown himself up to be pretty apathetic and for that, he can do one.

I think the only reason actual foul mouthed personal abuse doesn't sit with me is because he's the same age as my Dad (actually about six months older) and if people were hurling such abuse at my Dad i'd want to make them a lot more unhappy than they are currently.

It made me cross when people did it at Stoke Station in 2014, chanting "Wenger Out" at a game or carrying a placard with the same sentiment does not constitute abuse though and although i wouldn't do it myself I think people who do so are perfectly within their rights.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Do you not think it's somewhat out of proportion to the actual situation though?

The in fighting between the fans?

[Power n Glory]

It's on both sides of the fence too, not just the anti-Wenger group. Fans blaming each other, saying that either one has an agenda against the club, when in fact we all have the same agenda, which is for things to get better. Abusing the manager is one thing but fans absuing each other is worse because we'll all be around far longer together, far longer than any manager, player or board will be.

Same thing DK said on Arsenal Fan TV.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't buy that, the people who defend Wenger don't see there is a problem and the only thing they want to see change is for the other fans to know their place and behave themselves and say yes Arsene no Arsene etc.

[Letters]

The in fighting between the fans?

That and the extremes of opinion. This is a very half glass full point of view but it's also true that this is the first season in 3 when we've not won anything - and let's not get into how big or small the FA Cup is, it's not the league cup, it counts.
Wenger has failed to push us on, he has the resources to go now and some of the ways we've failed this season are very Groundhog Day, so he should go.
But the depth of feeling about this has always seemed rather OTT, to me.

[Kano]

Are you actually being serious?....is your message why can't we just respect each others differences and get along......you have heard of these things called Wars haven't you?...it's human nature my friend.

Yes this is exactly like a war.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That and the extremes of opinion. This is a very half glass full point of view but it's also true that this is the first season in 3 when we've not won anything - and let's not get into how big or small the FA Cup is, it's not the league cup, it counts.
Wenger has failed to push us on, he has the resources to go now and some of the ways we've failed this season are very Groundhog Day, so he should go.
But the depth of feeling about this has always seemed rather OTT, to me.

1) People are sick of seeing the same thing season in, season out....before they were prepared to buy the idea that it was other clubs were able to outspend us but that idea has been turned on it's head.

2) The Fa cup is not a major trophy, it is bigger than the league cup.....but whilst people do not expect us to be winning every premier league title and every european cup, they expect us to be competing for some. Being 12 points behind the league leaders with three games to go is not competing, failure to get past the last 16 of the champions league no matter who we play since 2010 is not competing.

Add into the mix that it's Spurs who look far more like a team equipped to win the title not just this season but in future than us, and a manager who in his press conferences seems to hint at some semblance of responsibility but then rains down every excuse under the sun....than the depth of feeling is understandable.

We pay the highest ticket prices in Europe, there is a right to expect far more than what we are getting in terms of effort from the team and competing for silverware.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Yes this is exactly like a war.

If two sets of cretins want to kick lumps out of each other, let them.....