Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[Power n Glory]

Since the new year we've won 6 out of sixteen and only scored 25 in that time. If he's still creating chances which he is, whose fault is it that they aren't being taken?.

But of course he should be scoring more because he has to single handedly wipe the teams arse when Giroud proves to be dog shit.

Well that just backs up what I'm saying about him being easily nullified. He's dependent on other players taking chances where a player like Sanchez can create chances and make his own chances.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Use some common sense. I'm talking about the importance of having another player on the pitch that can make an impact and take the weight off the shoulders of others. It goes back to what you said about Sanchez not being as important as Ozil.

My point is a winger that can play as a forward is easier to replace than what Ozil does....even if he doesn't directly assist he facilitates assist by creating space and seeing passes that few other players can.

I'm not for a second suggesting even if I was prepared to sell Sanchez not replacing him.

[Power n Glory]

You are badly underestimating the importance of Ozil in terms of us retaining possession. Cazorla is a huge miss in that respect too. We actually don't have many players who can keep the play moving along in a meaningful manner, without losing the ball at the first sign of pressure. It's always very noticeable when Ozil doesn't play because we end up giving the ball away so much and our front men end up isolated and even more ineffective than usual.

There's the argument that Ozil doesn't make a difference on his own, doesn't move us on, doesn't score enough or whatever. All open for debate. But what's beyond debate is if we lost him then we'd rapidly need a replacement or else our ability to move the ball and retain it would fall off a cliff. Considering we got Ozil for £40mill I can't see where we'd be getting anyone of similar quality in that price range.

Keeping Ozil and Alexis is one of the vital steps that needs to be taken this summer, followed by serious commitment in the transfer market. If we can't achieve these things then forget about anything else. We'll need some serious players to carry that idiot of a manager, Ozil is one of those players.

After all the complaints about useless possession is that the path we want to go down? Ozil isn't that important to keeping possession. That was seen when we lost Cazorla and Ramsey came in with Flamini. Elneny has helped steady the boat and get us flowing again. Ozil only makes around 60-70 passes a game and operates from too high up the pitch to dictate our tempo.

[Power n Glory]

My point is a winger that can play as a forward is easier to replace than what Ozil does....even if he doesn't directly assist he facilitates assist by creating space and seeing passes that few other players can.

I'm not for a second suggesting even if I was prepared to sell Sanchez not replacing him.

Are there many wide players out there that can score that many goals? It won't come cheap. I'm pretty sure replacing Ozil won't be cheap but I'm sure the equivalent could score more goals which gives us more of a tactical edge.

In fact, I’d take another Sanchez type player on the wide right if they’re that easy to come by and have stronger CM’s in the centre feeding them. Two wingers that can each get 20+ goals and 10-15 assists….that’s worth more than one Ozil.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I reiterate i'm just glad you aren't manager

The money isn't the issue, we paid 35million for Sanchez doubtless we'd have to pay easily that much for a replacement....i don't particularly want to replace him i'm happy for him to stay but the difference is if it came between him and Ozil there is no choice. Replacing Sanchez would be expensive, replacing Ozil would be almost impossible because there are hardly any players out there with his footballing brain

We need to stretch play all over the park, having wingers who can provide and score goals is obviously important but you have to have someone with the necessary intelligence and reading of the game to make play for the wingers otherwise we are just relying on their pace and the opposition not to double up on them.

Who is going to provide that play? Ramsey?....Ramsey who requires two or three touches to get the ball under control who is slow to see a pass and who far too often gives the ball away and who if not for his goalscoring exploits would have been sold by now by a decent decisive manager.

Anyway i sense we are going to go round and round on this. Don't get me wrong I love Sanchez and can see why he's a fan favourite...and he is definitely a key player for us. But I genuinely believe Ozil on pure natural ability alone is the best player at this club....you prefer to take the other view and side with Adrian Durham....therefore there is I doubt anything i could say that will convince you.

[Niall_Quinn]

After all the complaints about useless possession is that the path we want to go down? Ozil isn't that important to keeping possession. That was seen when we lost Cazorla and Ramsey came in with Flamini. Elneny has helped steady the boat and get us flowing again. Ozil only makes around 60-70 passes a game and operates from too high up the pitch to dictate our tempo.

Not saying that we do much with the possession, but without it we struggle even more. The quality in this squad isn't as high as some believe. We have some fuck awful players in terms of their effectiveness on a pitch. The squad looks great on paper but now we are seeing through the Wenger hype about some of these players. We are waiting, waiting, waiting for them to come good but no signs. Last thing we can afford is to lose any of the quality we do have. It's unthinkable because that manager of ours won't spend to replace it.

[Power n Glory]

I reiterate i'm just glad you aren't manager

The money isn't the issue, we paid 35million for Sanchez doubtless we'd have to pay easily that much for a replacement....i don't particularly want to replace him i'm happy for him to stay but the difference is if it came between him and Ozil there is no choice. Replacing Sanchez would be expensive, replacing Ozil would be almost impossible because there are hardly any players out there with his footballing brain

We need to stretch play all over the park, having wingers who can provide and score goals is obviously important but you have to have someone with the necessary intelligence and reading of the game to make play for the wingers otherwise we are just relying on their pace and the opposition not to double up on them.

Who is going to provide that play? Ramsey?....Ramsey who requires two or three touches to get the ball under control who is slow to see a pass and who far too often gives the ball away and who if not for his goalscoring exploits would have been sold by now by a decent decisive manager.

Anyway i sense we are going to go round and round on this. Don't get me wrong I love Sanchez and can see why he's a fan favourite...and he is definitely a key player for us. But I genuinely believe Ozil on pure natural ability alone is the best player at this club....you prefer to take the other view and side with Adrian Durham....therefore there is I doubt anything i could say that will convince you.

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You are definitely overplaying Ozil's importance to this team. Unless your Ronaldo or Messi, no player is impossible to replace. Totally different players and not in the same position, but if you could swap Ozil for Suarez or Aguero, would you? All hypothetical of course. I don't want to confuse you any further. Do you think not having a player like Ozil behind them would stop them from scoring 30 goals this season and coming up with winners? There is a difference between someone enhancing another players game and someone being essential to another players game and codependent.

The Ramsey point is another silly example because he's a CM that needs replacing anyway and the function he's supposed to provide comes from Cazorla and Elneny, not Ozil.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Nothing you say confuses me, I just personally find it absurd. If I cared what you think you might possibly cause offence by inferring stupidity on my part for not agreeing with you, but as it is i am engaging in this debate out of boredom.

Exactly Ronaldo and Messi are two different players in different positions so there is absolutely no sense in even fleetingly making a comparison.

However I think it's obvious to anyone that both players are far less effective for their national sides than they are for their respective clubs.

[Power n Glory]

Not saying that we do much with the possession, but without it we struggle even more. The quality in this squad isn't as high as some believe. We have some fuck awful players in terms of their effectiveness on a pitch. The squad looks great on paper but now we are seeing through the Wenger hype about some of these players. We are waiting, waiting, waiting for them to come good but no signs. Last thing we can afford is to lose any of the quality we do have. It's unthinkable because that manager of ours won't spend to replace it.

The quality in this squad really isn't that high and it's why each of the players have to look at themselves. The season is a shambles and I've seen better play come from the Cesc, Hleb, Rosicky, RVP and Ade days and they faced tougher opposition with a much weaker squad. The manager certainly has to go first and it's why I don't see any player here that's essential. We need a new philosophy and if we were to bring in someone new (pipe dream, I know) we're looking at a new canvas. A lightweight playmaker might not be in their plans. If someone came in and wanted to play two strikers up front, where does that leave a player like Ozil?

[Power n Glory]

Nothing you say confuses me, I just personally find it absurd. If I cared what you think you might possibly cause offence by inferring stupidity on my part for not agreeing with you, but as it is i am engaging in this debate out of boredom.

Exactly Ronaldo and Messi are two different players in different positions so there is absolutely no sense in even fleetingly making a comparison.

However I think it's obvious to anyone that both players are far less effective for their national sides than they are for their respective clubs.

I mean, why the heck would you repeat such a comment unless your confused? You don't have to agree, but I find it silly.

I reiterate i'm just glad you aren't manager

I'm not comparing Ronaldo and Messi to Ozil either. Just challenging that statement about Ozil being impossible to replace.

At least try to answer this one if you have time to waste.

Do you think not having a player like Ozil behind them would stop them from scoring 30 goals this season and coming up with winners? There is a difference between someone enhancing another players game and someone being essential to another players game and codependent.