Match Reaction vs Norwich (home).

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

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What?....why on earth has someone drawn them 5-0 down to Liverpool.

[Niall_Quinn]

I really wish you'd stop making that assumption.

Especially when the cycle at Arsenal precisely matches the normal routine for most people. A never changing humdrum devoid of the slightest hint of escapism. Over at Leicester we see what football is supposed to be about. Not title win but the ride, the ups, the downs, the expectations, the hopes, the fears, biting nails, sometimes the disbelief. What do we have here? Fuck all. Supporting Arsenal is like paying to work for somebody. Worse than the daily grind. And why?

Because some greedy bastard has bought the place and is being serviced by a man who claims to love football but really loves power and the structures of power. How could he love football and tolerate that soul sapping nothingness served up on the pitch every week?

[Kano]

Well when i say class i mean it in terms of mentality rather than means

It's like a mindset which doesn't like getting involved in protests, i am the same....i can think of nothing more trite than going on street demos waving placards no matter what the cause.

I think many fans want a change but are not outraged enough to want to do something about it. The top 4/Chumps League has probably contributed to that, set in a nice stadium, watching a team full of first team internationals. A hugely significant drop in performance – a season or two at a Liverpool or Chelsea level further down would probably raise the temperature quite a bit. Our situation is very unique and a reason why other fans look at us and think we are spoilt because from the outside we probably look like lunatics wanting to ditch a manager who get us top 3 or 4, cup finals, CL every season and big time players. As fans we are stuck in this strange limbo and that’s why a lot of paying fans aren’t sure how to respond to the idea of a protest.

[Kano]

What?....why on earth has someone drawn them 5-0 down to Liverpool.

Probably just remembering the good old days before they bagan bottling it big time in the last few games.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/25287554

[Niall_Quinn]

Well when i say class i mean it in terms of mentality rather than means

It's like a mindset which doesn't like getting involved in protests, i am the same....i can think of nothing more trite than going on street demos waving placards no matter what the cause.

The only thing worse than that is doing nothing.

The attitude now is if you don't love it then leave it. Another beautiful import from America. Used to be if you don't want to lose it then defend it with your life. Well we lost football a while back, without a whimper. Now even raising a banner is seen as blasphemous by these people who are most certainly brainwashed. Stick the price up to £50 and you'll get the wrong sort for sure. But, you know, the people who really matter in all this are benefitting year on year. They are winning big every season and Wenger is their go-to guy. They stole everything they claim they own.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Don't know. Think there are plenty of fans up and down the country who go to watch far more turgid football than we could ever hope to produce.

It's all relative, our football is frustrating because it's all huff and puff without any end product.....but a lot of sides can barely even string passes together let alone all the rest.

Look at Villa fans travelling to Watford at the weekend even cheering when Villa get a corner, it's a gallows humour....they know they've been screwed.....far, far more deeply than we have ever been screwed but it's a ritual for them. They aren't happy with what's going on but they probably go to Villa Park week in week out this season seeing terrible performances and likely defeats.

It doesn't speak of a wider issue, it's just what some football fans do.

[Niall_Quinn]

Don't know. Think there are plenty of fans up and down the country who go to watch far more turgid football than we could ever hope to produce.

It's all relative, our football is frustrating because it's all huff and puff without any end product.....but a lot of sides can barely even string passes together let alone all the rest.

Look at Villa fans travelling to Watford at the weekend even cheering when Villa get a corner, it's a gallows humour....they know they've been screwed.....far, far more deeply than we have ever been screwed but it's a ritual for them. They aren't happy with what's going on but they probably go to Villa Park week in week out this season seeing terrible performances and likely defeats.

It doesn't speak of a wider issue, it's just what some football fans do.

Villa is the club we should be looking at to see where we are going if things don't change. What an absolute shambles for a club that size and with that level of support to be relegated. But that's what eventually will happen when the heart is ripped out of a club and it becomes a vehicle for a few self interested wankers.

[Özim]

Don't know. Think there are plenty of fans up and down the country who go to watch far more turgid football than we could ever hope to produce.

It's all relative, our football is frustrating because it's all huff and puff without any end product.....but a lot of sides can barely even string passes together let alone all the rest.

Look at Villa fans travelling to Watford at the weekend even cheering when Villa get a corner, it's a gallows humour....they know they've been screwed.....far, far more deeply than we have ever been screwed but it's a ritual for them. They aren't happy with what's going on but they probably go to Villa Park week in week out this season seeing terrible performances and likely defeats.

It doesn't speak of a wider issue, it's just what some football fans do.

Different markets to be fair, if you go to McDonalds and have a bad meal it's £10 down the drain, if you go to a Michelin restaurant and get served up rubbish it's a few hundred pounds down the drain and you might even complain.

Arsenal charge top dollar, therefore they should deliver a top quality product.

[Niall_Quinn]

You think he could be that devious? I've seen how the club have used the media to circulate a half truth in the past so it's possible. But the consequences of this will be felt for years if they keep this up.

I don't think it's devious. It's arrogant, in your face. A dare to do something about it. They imagine they have all the power because there's a queue waiting to be fucked. It's impossible. To see real change at Arsenal that queue needs to disappear and the empty seats need to snowball. But that harms the club. This is what you get in a hostage situation. You can't do what's right because some cunt has a gun to the head of something or someone you love. Then again, the nasty, soulless face of corporatism maybe isn't so loveable and people will say fuck it, shoot the bitch, she's changed. Maybe we'll find we don't love it any more.

[Power n Glory]

I don't think it is an assumption, these are people for who Arsenal is a ritual like going down the pub on a friday night or taking the kids to the park on a sunday. It doesn't say any more or less about them, and i'm not saying it's a majority but there is a sizeable proportion of the crowd who come win, lose or draw, go home and don't think about Arsenal again until the next game.

Does it mean they don't have opinions on the direction the club is going?.....it just means that outside of a coffee break in the office they probably don't spend a great time on social media/forums talking about it

That's just another sweeping assumption. How do you know what people are doing after games?