Simeone will do it this time I reckon provided non of his scrotes get injured by the time the final comes around.
Simeone will do it this time I reckon provided non of his scrotes get injured by the time the final comes around.
The style of football was all too familiar. Slow, sideways, 156,441 too many touches. Unmistakably Arsenal like. Until recently manure were the same. No idea what's going through managers' minds when they play in this style. It's so pointless, a poor performance is almost guaranteed.Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Anyway, it's impossible to go too far when criticising Wenger this season. He's fucked up everything and as much as it's valid to hold Leicester up as a positive example we deserve to be held up as the ultimate example of a team that plays boring football. Us and Barca maybe. They are horrible too.
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Pellegrini has done a poor job at City, kinda like Guardiola at Bayern hasn't achieved what he should have.
He's a good manager for small clubs, but can't handle bigger clubs and their egos so well.
I think it's harsh to say Guardiola hasn't done a good job at Bayern, come what may they have made the semi finals.
And on two occasions they have been knocked out by the team that's gone on to win the competition and if Atletico win they will have been beaten every time by the team that goes on to win.
The Bundesliga is a technically better league than the premier league and there is no guarantee that Bayern would win the Bundesliga every season but he's blitzed the league every time even being comfortably ahead of a Dortmund side that any other season would be Champions.
Basically he's set himself an impossible standard to live up to from his time at Barcelona. Is he perfect? No far from it but consistently he's been one of the top managers in his profession from 2008 till now.
His style of play was the template under which Spain won the World Cup and the Euros two years later, I don't find Tika Takka the most enjoyable style of football to watch but you can see with Bayern there's a sense of adaptability but they were knocked out on the away goals rule by a side that is confounding all opponents at the moment (with another style of play I don't particularly enjoy watching that much either).
But this is not football manager, no manager or style of play is infallible, at the moment Diego Simeone is top of the tree and rightly so but how long he will remain there in a game which is constantly subject to change and young managers trying to Instill different methods is unknown.
He inherited the best team in Europe to be fair, a team who'd won the treble, in addition Dortmund aren't as good as they were so walking the league isn't that hard for a team like Bayern, never getting past the CL semi based on what he inherited must be considered a failure for a team like them with the talent they have.
Dortmund this season will probably have a points accumulation in excess of what they won the league with under Klopp. Basing their ability on the two legged tie against Liverpool doesn't change that.
Were they the best side in Europe? I think in terms of playing personnel they were a lot weaker in quality than what they are now (their striker was Mario Mandzukic).
But like I say Real beat them became champions league winners, Barcelona beat them became Champions league winners...when you look at European Football it is being dominated by La Liga teams.
They came up this season against the same red and white striped brick wall that did for Barcelona.
The champions league is a lottery and to hold up a manager as being at a club three seasons and not winning it as a failure is a bit ridiculous frankly.
Jupp Heynckes team won by besting a Barcelona side that that had trod water all the way to the semis, a Dortmund side that had punched above its Weight getting to the final and came perilously close to going out to us.
Doesn't mean a lot as the German leagueonly has two teams, Liverpool put them to the sword and they got knocked out of the CL in the group stages, this tells you all you need about how good they are.
They had Lewandowski until 2014 as well as Goetze so I'd say they were stronger, they also performed better in Europe, generally the better sides get further.
They won the CL before he took over, you can paint it however you like but it's a fact and the teams they face were very good, don't kid yourself about us nearly beating them, they didn't turn up in that game and at 2-0 up were created no chances, we were never going to knock them out.
I don't agree that the CL is a lottery, most of the time the best teams win or get to the final, the la Liga teams are the best around at the moment and Athletico are very much on form. Bayern haven't improved at all and holding up league titles in an uncompetitive league where their nearest rival are no longer the force they once were proves nothing.
It's generally accepted that he failed at Bayern, he wasn't there to win league titles, those were a given at the time, he was there for CL success and he failed to deliver it, his style of football is very one dimensional and if you use the right tactcis you can blunt it's effectiveness as Chelsea proved repeatedly when the face his Barca side, even with arguably the worlds best player.
The reason Athletico beat them is that Simeone got his tactics spot on and teaches his team to be very disciplined, Bayern have superior players but a manager who isn't as tactically astute and whose teams can only play one way (much like a certain someone we know well).
As for Heynckes, he picked up 3 trophies in his last season, you just can't belittle an achievement like that, very few teams have ever managed it.
Last edited by Özim; 05-05-2016 at 04:36 PM.
"It's generally accepted he failed at Bayern" ??
Translated as I Zim think he failed therefore it's generally accepted
So Chelsea were the best team in Europe in 2012??. If it's a competition that is purely about the best team winning why has no team been able to defend the trophy in the Champions league era??.
If you ask people who they think the best team in Europe is currently they will say Barcelona because they are judging it on a criteria that is longer than just one season. But again you think what you want, you are the same person who tried to convince me that Joachim Low was an underachiever with the German side.
Truth be told, Zim just doesn't like Pep's style of football, which is fair enough but you can't call it out as being one that with the right tactics can be overcome every time. A large majority of the team they faced tried the same as Chelsea - which is just camp out in your penalty box and hold on for dear life, aiming for odd counter attacks - and most failed.
Styles of play are seasonal and counter attacking is no more attractive or exciting at times than all out possession. It's just a matter of taste. I can see pro's and con's in both and the key is how you enforce these type of tactics onto the team. There is no definitive 'one style is better or more effective than the other'. Counter attacking is becoming more in vogue, coupled with hardcore pressing that has filtered down from the Bielsa school of thinking since his Chile national team.
Pep should of at least got to one final with the team and resources at his disposal, a repeating fault was that they would start out the season obliterating teams and then seem to run out of steam Feb/March time. So when it came to the CL semi's they were not the same force as earlier. There's no guarantee of winning the CL of course given the quality you are up against in the knockouts but I think a final should've been the minimal Pep achieved at Bayern.
Last edited by Kano; 05-05-2016 at 06:31 PM.
They talked about it on the BBC and pretty said he'd failed having failed to win the CL, so not it's not just my view.
I said most of the time btw not everytime and generally it is, Chelsea just like Man U in 99 just seemed to get the rub of the green and sometimes in football it does happen, unusual circumstances where everything comes together, but it's rare.
Barca went on a 4 game losing run I believe, yes they were the best last season but this season Real and Athletico are right on their tails in the league (they are level on points with Athletico in the league who also beat them in the CL, they might not even win La Liga), it's not at all obvious they are the best, if they are at all.
Guardiola should have done better than he did, winning the Bundesliga really was a gimme seeing as they signed several key players from their main rival Dortmund in recent times, who it's clear are nowehere near as good as they were.
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