Where did it go wrong?

[Power n Glory]

To be honest this point is hard to assess at Arsenal as we have some real donkeys up front, our strikeforce is just awful and misses chance after chance, only a madman would go into a season with that lot.

A more accurate portrayal of what he provides is how he performed at his former clubs and his stats were always very good there.

I don't doubt Ozil's quality as a playmaker. It's just goes back to debate of wheather he's more important than a top quality striker. For Arsenal, I think it's more important we have that striker because I believe they would have more of an impact on the team. I mean, Ronaldo is a game changer and goal scorer with or without Ozil.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Unless chances are absolute sitters that are missed, how many chances do you remember in a game which haven't resulted in a goal....I'm going to guess not many.

What is more interesting that you seem keen to single him out for criticism in a game where the whole team performance was dire.....and if i had made the point that he played brilliantly in every single league game this season your point would actually have some merit....but as i intimated originally it seemed to me to be a facetious remark and therefore i treat it with the contempt it deserves by mentioning a language barrier.

Which was in fairness a hangover from the discussion from the other week where you seem to be constantly arguing against a point I hadn't made to begin with.

"We don't agree on certain points?".....if every debate boiled down to that there would be no point in having a debate in the first place, in fact this place would forever be as dead as it is during the international breaks.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't doubt Ozil's quality as a playmaker. It's just goes back to debate of wheather he's more important than a top quality striker. For Arsenal, I think it's more important we have that striker because I believe they would have more of an impact on the team. I mean, Ronaldo is a game changer and goal scorer with or without Ozil.

And i bring you back to Ronaldo's performances for Portugal compared to his performances for Real Madrid

Messi's performances for Argentina compared to his performances to Barcelona.

The playmakers behind them make them better players

In fact the original debate has been perverted, it was never about whether a top quality striker was more important than a playmaker....it was about whether individually Ozil was harder to replace than Sanchez. Sanchez isn't a top quality striker given that he isn't a striker and although i would never want to lose him there are more players of his ilk avaliable then there are of Ozil's type.

So the debate was based on individual players.....i'd rather keep both and add a top quality striker.

[Power n Glory]

You must have missed my debates with others on players like Giroud, Ramsey and Gabriel. It's not just Ozil and I haven't actually pointed out a criticisn of Ozil during that game. It's just an observation about the stats.

Also, as mentioned before, International football is different to club level. Different tactics, managers and a complete change of supporting players. From defence to uo front. But in the small changes at Real and Barca with key playmakers, has that stopped Ronaldo or Messi from scoring? I complete regime change at international level is different to one or two players leaving at club level.

I won't draw this one out but you seem to be following my use of English perfectly fine. You parts of the debate at least.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You must have missed my debates with others on players like Giroud, Ramsey and Gabriel. It's not just Ozil and I haven't actually pointed out a criticisn of Ozil during that game. It's just an observation about the stats.

Also, as mentioned before, International football is different to club level. Different tactics, managers and a complete change of supporting players. From defence to uo front. But in the small changes at Real and Barca with key playmakers, has that stopped Ronaldo or Messi from scoring? I complete regime change at international level is different to one or two players leaving at club level.

I won't draw this one out but you seem to be following my use of English perfectly fine. You parts of the debate at least.

To be fair the original insult was that you couldn't understand me but I didn't see any reason not to invert it

It could be international tactics and style of play or it could just be that the Argentine and Portugese midfield doesn't have the same quality as Real Madrid and Barcelona.

Anyway you are quite right, this shouldn't drag out. As addictive as arguing is, I am at work.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Come on now.....you lot don't have jobs....

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Come on now.....you lot don't have jobs....

That's what I tell the DWP anyway

[Xhaka Can’t]

So....who won the Internet?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

So....who won the Internet?

You if you like

[Nayan]

it went wrong because for all wenger's guff about Ze mental strengf he doesn't I still enough into his charges.