You think they are idiots, they think you are idiots.....I'd call that an impasse
You think they are idiots, they think you are idiots.....I'd call that an impasse
I think their insults and behaviour is uncalled for, I don't agree with what they say but that's fine they are entitled to their opinion.Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
To blame the fans for what is something controlled by people paid many millions is however pretty low.
And they argue they are getting insulted for supporting the manager, when it comes to who has the stronger argument than yes I'm more inclined to side with the people who want the manager gone (although the level of vitriol with some of them bemuses me) but when it comes to fan behaviour it's a score draw in that both factions are equally pathetic in my eyes.
Again I wasn't there yesterday, nor at the other away matches where they have been reports of fracas between fans.....but the clear picture is that there are absolute bell ends in both camps.
So what if the Wenger In camp think it's the fans fault?.....it's their opinion, it's not an argument I can say really has much merit and it rather contradicts Wengers assertion that his players have strong character if they can't play well when the atmosphere is a bit sour. But if they want to continue with that narrative it's up to them.
Well no, someone else having a different opinion and voicing this whether it be via a banner or vocally towards the management or players is not insulting them at all, it's letting the players and club know how they feel.
What about the threatening behaviour some of these people display when supporting Wenger, have your own opinion but don't be threatening or aggresive towards others for having theirs.
Last edited by Özim; 09-05-2016 at 10:48 AM.
But that's my point, they see it differently....now if they are trying to use physical force to prevent banners or attacking Wenger out fans than that's dickish behaviour, but they have the right to criticise the behaviour and its motives.
I'm not likely to go to an Arsenal game any time soon, but frankly I wouldn't want to be associated with people holding up banners anymore than I'd want to be associated with people chanting "one Arsene Wenger".
Boyd Hilton on the Footballistically Arsenal podcast compared it with Right Wing Likuld vs Hamas, just insanity on both sides.
i thought it was really embarrassing tbh, as you say we drew the game and had the chance of going 2nd had we won so a manager with ambition should have gone for it earlier and at least kept his "celebrations" behind closed doors.
This is why the man is untouchable, he has one target and that is to qualify for the CL.
Agreed, but it seems he's got a large percentage of fans celebrating this as well now, it's ingrained into our culture that top 4 is basically a great result for the season. After such a disappointing season it's surprising to be seeing fans and the manager celebrating a draw.
Yes they do, I guess we're all different, if I pay top dollar for something I would expect to get a top quality product and wouldn't be happy unless I got that. Some guy even said we play the best football around, I don't think that's the case anymore, may be a few years ago, but to me it seems like there's a lot of fans living in the past.
Kinda in the same way people use to say we shouldn't spend a lot of money as we might do a Leeds, it's now we shouldn't change manager as we'll do a Man U. Not necessarily the case, it could be better, it would certainly be more exciting as we could expect something new, personally I wouldn't mind a couple seasons where we're not in the CL if it meant things could change and we could have hope again.
It's going to happen sooner or later anyway, so I don't see why people would worry about it happening, one guy wanted him to prepare for his departure and effectively pick his successor, I think this would be disastrous personally.
Last edited by Özim; 09-05-2016 at 11:22 AM.
It's all opinion at the end of the day, like you say they are paying top dollar and if they think they are getting value for money I think they are mad but it's up to them
I find our football boring, I thought the move that led to our second equaliser was excellent but on the whole compare it to Leicester and how they played against Everton. Far more entertaining than anything we produce, they really go for it and play good direct football.
Israelis vs Hamas? Hardly. What an incredible stupid analogy by whoever that chattering head is. If he thinks fans arguing over a manager (a practise as old as the game) is insane then how does he rate his own take on things? Is there a word?
Rational and reasonable are terms that are rapidly becoming euphemisms for subservience. Nobody seems to know what either word means any more. However, the favoured rational and reasonable response to the Arsenal situation seems to be love it but leave it. If you don't like the cunts who have captured the club then run away and sulk a bit, or just fall out of love with the game and do something else. Fine. If that works for people then it's a choice and their choice to make. But what if you aren't ready to abandon the club yet? What if you still give a fuck about what happens at the club? Is it time to sit down and have a rational and reasonable debate with the people who have watched the manager fuck it up season after season for a decade yet still sing his name? What sort of rational and reasonable debate is that going to be?
"Thanks for the memories but it's time to say goodbye!"
"You ungrateful, disloyal, plastic, sad, pathetic, publicity seeking non-fan. Wenger should be allowed to leave when he wants. He built the stadium with his own hands. The results are fine considering all the money the dopers have. No, I don't know what Leicester is, please shut up!"
Seems like one side of this "debate" is both Hamas and the Israelis from where I'm watching. Or watered down versions that are really nothing at all like Hamas or the Israelis. Because that's just silly, even sillier than the Wenger crowd.
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