Match Reaction Gypos 2-2 Unambitious Skinflints - WENGER OUT!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You can't get yourself listened to by being quiet either, and that seems to be the demand of the Wenger crowd (or is it a mob yet?). Come to the games, pay top prices, be polite, respectful, no complaining and certainly no complaining that could be heard or witnessed by other people. Would that be a fair assessment of their demands? That seems to be what they are saying. The guys with the banners haven't been flailing around the place, all they have been doing is hoisting up a polite (too polite if you ask me) banner or two. Arsenal are dispatching stewards to away games to stop this happening and the people doing the flailing are the ones who don't want anyone else to have an opinion. There's something very wrong at this club and among a section of the support, and the problem isn't with the guys holding up Wenger out banners.

You hear different things depending on who you listen to as to who is causing the ruck, which leads me to conclude that both are equally responsible because they can't behave.

It's not about staying quiet, it's about staying rational. You can be loud without being hysterical

People blaming the fans are irrational, People who scream at other fans who say they don't like their banners are hysterical

The stewards taking banners from fans needs looking into it, as they seems to be a gross overreaction. But then my problem is not the message but the messengers themselves.....

[Globalgunner]

The concept of despatching stewards to away grounds to quell dissent seems at best legally questionable and at worst downright authoritarian. ehat jurisciction do they have outside the Emirates. This is the desperate last throes (I hope ) of a dying junta.

Bllody Hell, these people are desperate.

[Power n Glory]

You hear different things depending on who you listen to as to who is causing the ruck, which leads me to conclude that both are equally responsible because they can't behave.

It's not about staying quiet, it's about staying rational. You can be loud without being hysterical

People blaming the fans are irrational, People who scream at other fans who say they don't like their banners are hysterical

The stewards taking banners from fans needs looking into it, as they seems to be a gross overreaction. But then my problem is not the message but the messengers themselves.....

Football isn't rational. It's an emotional game and why we'll see even our own manager get involved in a little tussle with an opposing manager or refuse to shake hands. Did you say something about human nature the other day to Kano and NQ?

This was on the cards and I think the club have poured fuel on the flames. That doesn't excuse the behavior but they know fools in love with the game can take things to the extreme. Hence how they have most fans by the balls with the ticket prices.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Oh I agree I think the reaction is all too profound an example of human nature. It's all too familiar a failing but don't expect me to have any respect for it. Let's just say some people are more "human" than others.

But my point still stands, I won't listen to an argument that someone makes that is based on emotion and I don't expect anyone else to either.
And people who become violent often need very little reason so to do. So whilst yes I blame the manager and the board for fans becoming disenchanted, frustrated and annoyed but becoming aggressive and thuggish no that's on the individuals.

People who are inspired by visceral reactions, well I leave them to vote for people like Donald Trump.

[Power n Glory]

Oh I agree I think the reaction is all too profound an example of human nature. It's all too familiar a failing but don't expect me to have any respect for it. Let's just say some people are more "human" than others.

But my point still stands, I won't listen to an argument that someone makes that is based on emotion and I don't expect anyone else to either.
And people who become violent often need very little reason so to do. So whilst yes I blame the manager and the board for fans becoming disenchanted, frustrated and annoyed but becoming aggressive and thuggish no that's on the individuals.

People who are inspired by visceral reactions, well I leave them to vote for people like Donald Trump.

I'm not concerned about the thuggish behavior. There isn't much point in asking why people are fighting. It never seems rational when things boil over like this. It's the split in fan base that I'm more concerned about. I blame the club for sitting idle whilst Wenger has been allowed to take the piss all these years. The fact that he's blamed the fans for our failure is out of order as well. Stoked the flames and he should be held accountable.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Well I'm sure you are concerned about the split in the fan base but the general dissuasion was about the bitch slapping going on between the muppets on both sides

But even on the split I am less than sympathetic, I don't understand the mindset of people who seem satisfied with how things are going. But I'm more curious than angry and like to understand where they are coming from.

Largely it appears that it's hyperbole vs hyperbole, and people becoming more entrenched in their views to counteract the perceived inflexibility of the opposing argument. And actually if you discuss it with people long enough you find there are more areas of agreement than disagreement. So essentially it is bickering for the sake of bickering.

[Power n Glory]

Well I'm sure you are concerned about the split in the fan base but the general dissuasion was about the bitch slapping going on between the muppets on both sides

But even on the split I am less than sympathetic, I don't understand the mindset of people who seem satisfied with how things are going. But I'm more curious than angry and like to understand where they are coming from.

Largely it appears that it's hyperbole vs hyperbole, and people becoming more entrenched in their views to counteract the perceived inflexibility of the opposing argument. And actually if you discuss it with people long enough you find there are more areas of agreement than disagreement. So essentially it is bickering for the sake of bickering.

I think that's the way the conversation has gone even though that wasn't my original purpose when posting a comment this morning. I just wonder what sort of legacy will Wenger leave behind if this continues. It really defeats the purpose of the new stadium and why I criticise them so heavily. They've mishandled this situation.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

They haven't mishandled it at all, that would suggest it's been handled at all

The question of Wenger and succession has been totally pushed down the road, because it's not a decision they want to make. They want Wenger to sign a contract because it's easier to stick with what they have rather than make difficult football decisions

The club is largely as apathetic as the fans, sending stewards from Arsenal to the game is just a way of trying to save themselves hassle.

But fans have a choice, the absentism at Arsenal has been more effective than any wanky banner or placard, that's what the board will listen to because I think it's clear tourists cannot make up the shortfall.

I was unconvinced as to its efficacy but actually if maintained I think it is the most effective protest took the fans have.

You can't blame fans for being spoilt if they don't turn up, it's just a case of fine I'm a paying customer so you don't get my business anymore.

Even if it doesn't work, you are saving yourself a fair bit of money which otherwise goes to a club that seems to be stockpiling.

[Power n Glory]

I've always been in favour of a boycott. I don't mind the protests and banners either because it's another way of getting a message across. It doesn't have to be either or in my book.

[Munchies]

There should also be a walk out during the lap of honour imo

All the players/manager are bottlers

The Pellegrini one got alot of news and was on the front page of newspapers