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    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm View Post
    Mane has indeed joined Liverpool.

    We should sign Sturridge.
    And play him on the wing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm View Post
    Mane has indeed joined Liverpool.

    We should sign Sturridge.
    Sturridge is a good player but can you imagine him at Arsenal? 2 games a season max.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    Palace to buy Batshuayi for €38m
    As much as it's crazy that's what highly rated young talents trade for these days, Martial went for a similar fee last year with a bunch of add-ons that potentially could rise the price up to 60million or whatever it is.

    The market is nuts but we either pay the price or don't buy.
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    I agree.

    Janssen is looking a very good buy then at about 15 million.

    We need a striker before August.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    As much as it's crazy that's what highly rated young talents trade for these days, Martial went for a similar fee last year with a bunch of add-ons that potentially could rise the price up to 60million or whatever it is.

    The market is nuts but we either pay the price or don't buy.
    And yet you look at Leciester and see how they done. How Spurs drastically improved in one season. Hardly anything spent. Or the alternative route is to spend on overrated bullshit players like this guy and keep on going in that cycle. Is Wenger the man to build that team? No. But is he going to improve things by wasting the money he does have on crap like this? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    And yet you look at Leciester and see how they done. How Spurs drastically improved in one season. Hardly anything spent. Or the alternative route is to spend on overrated bullshit players like this guy and keep on going in that cycle. Is Wenger the man to build that team? No. But is he going to improve things by wasting the money he does have on crap like this? No.
    With Wenger in charge the only way we will improve is by spending, he's not capable of building a solid team out of the options we currently have, come on Kano you know this.

    He spent on Ozil and Sanchez and we improved, not drastically but enough for it to make a difference.

    Not spending with him in charge shouldn't be option we even think about contemplating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    With Wenger in charge the only way we will improve is by spending, he's not capable of building a solid team out of the options we currently have, come on Kano you know this.

    He spent on Ozil and Sanchez and we improved, not drastically but enough for it to make a difference.

    Not spending with him in charge shouldn't be option we even think about contemplating.
    He's not capable of improving our performance if he spends on overrated tripe either. So the best thing will be to plod along as usual and rather than load down the squad with too much crap, hope the next man can build something resembling a team that works well. I said so above in my first response, that Wenger is not the man to build a balanced team.

    It doesn't have to be an option of not spending at all or overspending on hype, those are two extremes that won't make a difference under Wenger. With Ozil and Sanchez added, our style and conherence has become worse rather than improved in a tangible sense. Their talents and price tags haven't changed the progression of the team and the least we can say is their prices made more sense in the market, given their recognised ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    With Wenger in charge the only way we will improve is by spending, he's not capable of building a solid team out of the options we currently have, come on Kano you know this.

    He spent on Ozil and Sanchez and we improved, not drastically but enough for it to make a difference.

    Not spending with him in charge shouldn't be option we even think about contemplating.
    But we didn't improve. Our football at the tail end of last season was the worst I've seen us play for decades. When we really needed that win, when the key moments arrived, we saw the same outcome as usual. £60mill of talent absorbed into a mess. Will it make a difference if Wenger shells £60mill more on a striker who is then not utilised to the full or ends up victim to our tragic injury policy? I know what you mean. From time to time players like Ozil, Alexis can pull out a little extra that makes a difference when the margins are narrow. Rarely, it has to be said, but sometimes. So if you keep adding more of the same eventually you get to a position when they are all pulling rabbits out of the hat. But that's Argentina from the other night, isn't it? No guarantees at all, mainly because the man at the helm doesn't know how to extract the best results regardless of who is on the pitch. The only reason I'd spend big now, and by big I mean lots of money but not enough because that's just us, is to keep the likes of Ozil and Alexis at the club. Give it another go, one more time around. Bring a big(ish) name in and see if we can do something. If that fails then I guess we don't need Ozil or Alexis anyway, aside from the entertainment they provide in our footballing desert.

    But then it goes around again. If he won't spend £70, £80mill, which it what it will cost for genuine rather than hyped talent, then what will we get? Morata? Probably not as he'd be almost that much and with silly wages bunged on top. Lukaku then? £70mill - Evertonians on crack. A kid for £15mill? That's why I wanted Vardy for £20mill. He's actually worth the 40 odd mill we'd be prepared to spend. He hits the ground running, hits the ground when he's in the box, and I genuinely think it would be difficult for Wenger to ruin him because he's one dimensional (and so is Vardy). Should have signed him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    He's not capable of improving our performance if he spends on overrated tripe either. So the best thing will be to plod along as usual and rather than load down the squad with too much crap, hope the next man can build something resembling a team that works well. I said so above in my first response, that Wenger is not the man to build a balanced team.

    It doesn't have to be an option of not spending at all or overspending on hype, those are two extremes that won't make a difference under Wenger. With Ozil and Sanchez added, our style and conherence has become worse rather than improved in a tangible sense. Their talents and price tags haven't changed the progression of the team and the least we can say is their prices made more sense in the market, given their recognised ability.
    So basically you are saying we shouldn't try and improve the team?

    I understand where you are coming from and have flipped flopped myself between him buying a new striker or just leaving the squad as is until a new guy comes in. The thing is I suspect Wenger is going to be here for a while yet so he might as well make use of his resources.

    I'm not suggesting he goes on some wild spending spree, but I see no reason why he shouldn't at the very least bring in a good quality striker who is an upgrade on what we currently have, the cost is irrelevant, though I suspect in the current market we will need to pay a healthy fee...we have the money. As an example, the Vardy deal was an opportunist punt, we can't wait around until we find another striker who we deem "value for money" it doesn't work like that.

    Not sure I agree re: Ozil and Sanchez, I think the issue with our style and the teams lack of progression is more to do with Wenger trying to fit square pegs in round holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    So basically you are saying we shouldn't try and improve the team?

    I understand where you are coming from and have flipped flopped myself between him buying a new striker or just leaving the squad as is until a new guy comes in. The thing is I suspect Wenger is going to be here for a while yet so he might as well make use of his resources.

    I'm not suggesting he goes on some wild spending spree, but I see no reason why he shouldn't at the very least bring in a good quality striker who is an upgrade on what we currently have, the cost is irrelevant, though I suspect in the current market we will need to pay a healthy fee...we have the money. As an example, the Vardy deal was an opportunist punt, we can't wait around until we find another striker who we deem "value for money" it doesn't work like that.

    Not sure I agree re: Ozil and Sanchez, I think the issue with our style and the teams lack of progression is more to do with Wenger trying to fit square pegs in round holes.
    No, where have I said that?? What I'm saying is overpaying for hype is stupid and pointless and not spending (which you mentioned before) is just as silly. Get some decent players, spend on quality where possible but watching Mane and that other guy go to Palace for those prices is laughable. I hope we don't go down the same route. If we go big for certified quality like an Ozil or Alexis, then great.

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