Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[selassie]

Said it before, we wont be signing anyone of note. Vardy was Wengers punt, it didnt work out, and so he will make do with what we have.

Yep, totally agreed.

[Power n Glory]

Clubs like United, Barca, Real see it as a badge of honour to spend these ridiculous sums on players. It could be termed a marketing strategy by some but its just stupid one-upmanship at play. We have the money, so why not spend it they say. The other thing is...Mourinho is a football faker. He only wants a sure bet. He will do his best to buy all the best players available so that failure is eliminated and success is more or less guaranteed. Even his ultra defensive tactics cant obliterate the prolific talent he has usually been able to hoard. Other managers like Klopp, Conte, Pep actually have a vision of how they want to play and put players together to achieve it. Mourinho likes to buy up all the guns available in the shop. M16s and all, to go out on a safari. Sometimes 2 or 3 of the same gun. You never know.

What's wrong with that? Isn't that what you're supposed to do? Isn't that what we want from Wenger?

Also, a lot of Mourinho signings I don't rate. He overpays for a lot of players because he knows that particular sort of play is what he needs for his system to work. He always goes for a particular type of player. You can see it in the strikers he signs, the DM and CM combo......if he went for the best in every position, I think we'd see a more attack minded team.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Yeah that's an odd criticism, I don't like Mourinho for the footballing style he forces teams even with players with genuine technical ability to play personally but you can't criticise him for doing everything to guarantee sucess.

Mourinhos narcassism, lack of respect for fellow professionals and the spirit of the game is why I don't like him. He's like the Schumacher of football management undoubted talent but tainted by horrible cynicism.

[dostoy]

Said it before, we wont be signing anyone of note. Vardy was Wengers punt, it didnt work out, and so he will make do with what we have.

Agreed

There will not be anybody else coming here this summer, anybody who is waiting for a big transfer is deluded.

This is Wenger we are talking about, the man is so tight and so stubborn it is beyond belief.

I can just hear him saying Welbeck will be like a new signing when he returns and where would I play all these players and we must give Akpom and maybe Sanogo another chance, and there is nobody out there better than what we have etc.

I cannot wait for him to leave, his dated ideas and his locked principles are restricting this club now.

[Globalgunner]

What's wrong with that? Isn't that what you're supposed to do? Isn't that what we want from Wenger?

Also, a lot of Mourinho signings I don't rate. He overpays for a lot of players because he knows that particular sort of play is what he needs for his system to work. He always goes for a particular type of player. You can see it in the strikers he signs, the DM and CM combo......if he went for the best in every position, I think we'd see a more attack minded team.

What I want from Wenger is probabaly too uncouth even for these boards. Maybe i put it across inelegantly. Basically my criticism of Mourinho is that he is all about the glory. Yes that is probably a virtue to some but he will never go down as a great manager if all he does is rock up at the most minted club in each league and buy all the best players and set them up to soak up pressure and counterrattack. Effective maybe, but certainly not pleasing on the eye. Great managers get extraordinary things out of ordinary players OR build legacies at unfashionable clubs.
Mourinho now may have reached a point in his professional career and be at a club that demands something different than his normal fare. Maybe we will see something different from him this time. I certainly hope so.

[Power n Glory]

What I want from Wenger is probabaly too uncouth even for these boards. Maybe i put it across inelegantly. Basically my criticism of Mourinho is that he is all about the glory. Yes that is probably a virtue to some but he will never go down as a great manager if all he does is rock up at the most minted club in each league and buy all the best players and set them up to soak up pressure and counterrattack. Effective maybe, but certainly not pleasing on the eye. Great managers get extraordinary things out of ordinary players OR build legacies at unfashionable clubs.
Mourinho now may have reached a point in his professional career and be at a club that demands something different than his normal fare. Maybe we will see something different from him this time. I certainly hope so.

I apply the exact same criticism to Pep. In fact, I’m even more sceptical of Pep. I can’t respect his achievements at Bayern. They were at the top of their game before he arrived and he never won the CL with them. Same goes for Barca. Mourinho….Porto were the top dogs in Portugal but he won the UEFA Cup and CL with them and they’re a pretty small fish in that CL bowl. Chelsea…they were super minted but you can at least say he won them their first title and set the foundation. Inter….won them the treble. Serie A was rocked by corruption but he won them their first CL trophy. I respect that more. Not a huge fan of his brand football but it gets the job done.

With Pep, I respect his brand of football, the tactics and his philosophy more than his achievements. But if we’re saying great managers have to build legacies out of unfashionable clubs and ordinary players, does that make Wenger a great manager but rule out Pep, Mourinho and Fergie? Ancelotti? Is Claudio Ranieri up there as one of the greatest for what he did with Leicester City?

[Globalgunner]

Its all a matter of opinion. Mourinho is a great manager. I just dont like him as a person. All winners of the CL could be classified as great because the damn thing is so hard to achieve. Winning it twice is greatness without a doubt, but lets not forget Roberto DiMattteo won it at his first attempt. As for Wenger, he is not even Arsenals greatest manager, not even in the last 30 years
If Ranieri can keep Leicester competitive next season, maybe qualify for CL despite all the other clubs in it. that surely reaches the level of greatness.

As for Pep, when you can be credited for inventing a signature type of winning footie. That certainly is greatness. His spell at Bayern cannot be classified as a failure IMHO. Bayern have been around for over a hundred years and only won 5 CL. Does that mean every manager except those that won it are crap?. No. Even if he fails to win the CL at City he will still be considered a legend in the game.

[Power n Glory]

Its all a matter of opinion. Mourinho is a great manager. I just dont like him as a person. All winners of the CL could be classified as great because the damn thing is so hard to achieve. Winning it twice is greatness without a doubt, but lets not forget Roberto DiMattteo won it at his first attempt. As for Wenger, he is not even Arsenals greatest manager, not even in the last 30 years
If Ranieri can keep Leicester competitive next season, maybe qualify for CL despite all the other clubs in it. that surely reaches the level of greatness.

As for Pep, when you can be credited for inventing a signature type of winning footie. That certainly is greatness. His spell at Bayern cannot be classified as a failure IMHO. Bayern have been around for over a hundred years and only won 5 CL. Does that mean every manager except those that won it are crap?. No. Even if he fails to win the CL at City he will still be considered a legend in the game.

Wenger has to be our greatest manager. These last 10 years has knocked him down a peg. He should have won the CL league but going a whole season undefeated.....hands down our best manager.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

His problem is that he hasn't adapted to the way football has changed in the last ten-twelve years of instant ready success. Yes it's not a pleasant spectacle but it's the soup he swims in so after he has credibly kept us stable during slim periods his attitude to recruitments and tactics have not altered since he joined the club, and the gems he brought to the club for cheap can no longer be brought in under the radar in the world of you tube, foreign leagues and champions league football on tv everywhere.

[Marc Overmars]

Pogba to United might be legit then.

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...er-sky-sources

Jesus.