Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Niall_Quinn]

i think the best bet at this point is to get the best player we can in. Laccazette isnt really that good, especially for the silly price Lyon are asking. Pay whatever it takes for Draxler and move Alexis up front with Giroud. Revert back to a 442 with Draxler-Xhaka-Ramsey-Ozil as the midfield.

He won't revert to a 4-4-2. According to the experts, who are forever being proved wrong, 4-4-2 doesn't work in the PL. WUMger is one of those faddish experts. Besides, you can't play negative, shit football as easily with a 4-4-2. Much better to pack the middle and tip tap it around to get that all important 65% possession stat. This is the reason I prefer Draxler. He's technical and could cope with Wenger's bullshit but at the same time he's creative so could bust out of the shackles and do something positive, like Alexis and Ozil. CasseteBoy would be another player who would get lost in the Wenger maze, well from what I've seen of him which admittedly isn't that much. But it doesn't look like he has that extra bit of talent that could make a difference.

[Niall_Quinn]

Draxler?, what happens when he decides he wants to take up Ballet and even his close-minded Geordie miner family help him realise his dream

That's the danger with any player we sign. If they can't get the better of Wenger's system then they become non-entities. The old fool would have seen Ramsey playing in the Euros but won't have uncovered any clues. He'll have seen Alexis playing in the Copa, but that would have flown right over his head too. So yes, Draxler would have to be strong to make an impact, but he looks like he has the attributes to overcome whatever Wenger throws at him. At £50mill he's not cheap but then again Troy Deeney is now a £30mill player so in this market, and having lost out once already, we should get him before he's £80mill or £100mill.

[Niall_Quinn]

Apparently Monsieur Peanuts will up our offer of 750k to 2.5mill to sign Rob Holding from Bolton.

[Gooner23]

Get in there.

[Mr. Lahey]

He won't revert to a 4-4-2. According to the experts, who are forever being proved wrong, 4-4-2 doesn't work in the PL. WUMger is one of those faddish experts. Besides, you can't play negative, shit football as easily with a 4-4-2. Much better to pack the middle and tip tap it around to get that all important 65% possession stat. This is the reason I prefer Draxler. He's technical and could cope with Wenger's bullshit but at the same time he's creative so could bust out of the shackles and do something positive, like Alexis and Ozil. CasseteBoy would be another player who would get lost in the Wenger maze, well from what I've seen of him which admittedly isn't that much. But it doesn't look like he has that extra bit of talent that could make a difference.

you are probably right and I agree regarding Draxler. He has the talent to be a game changer in spite of the shit we play. hes got his best years ahead of him - its a no brainer for me.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That's the danger with any player we sign. If they can't get the better of Wenger's system then they become non-entities. The old fool would have seen Ramsey playing in the Euros but won't have uncovered any clues. He'll have seen Alexis playing in the Copa, but that would have flown right over his head too. So yes, Draxler would have to be strong to make an impact, but he looks like he has the attributes to overcome whatever Wenger throws at him. At £50mill he's not cheap but then again Troy Deeney is now a £30mill player so in this market, and having lost out once already, we should get him before he's £80mill or £100mill.

I know you are much more of a Ramsey fan than me, but isn't it possible just possible than the abject averageness of player performance in the tournament made Ramsey look better than he actually is. Don't get me wrong there is no question that Wenger isn't getting the best out of a lot of his players, but it's also easy to look good when many of the players around you in terms of technical ability are championship quality.

[Niall_Quinn]

I know you are much more of a Ramsey fan than me, but isn't it possible just possible than the abject averageness of player performance in the tournament made Ramsey look better than he actually is. Don't get me wrong there is no question that Wenger isn't getting the best out of a lot of his players, but it's also easy to look good when many of the players around you in terms of technical ability are championship quality.

Well I think that averageness extends across all European football. So in the context of the PL the same could be said, Ramsey is above average by comparison. The problem we have is Wenger has overloaded us with attacking midfielders (or players who in his mind are attacking midfielders), so you have to sacrifice somebody if you want to get the best from Ramsey. Now we have Xhaka I can't see an effective role for Ramsey unless we are dropping Cazorla, and Cazorla is Wenger's favourite player because the poor sod busts a gut and has enough talent to drag something out of Wenger's shit system. I'd be fine with us upgrading our football to the system Wales played - and it would be an upgrade. Sensible football, playing to the strengths of what we have. That shitty Barca-lite kicked into touch forever.

Ozil behind the striker, Ramsey box to box, Xhaka the grafter holding the centre, Alexis and Mahrez/ Draxler wide, a decent striker up top. With our injury list there would be plenty of opportunity for Cazorla, Coquelin, Elneny, Wilshere, Walcott, Welbeck, Ox, Iwobi, Campbell. It's not such a bad squad with a couple more additions. But it would take a smart manager to get a good rotational system in place, make sure square pegs are in square holes, rest players at the right moments. Wenger does none of this. So normal ideas go out the window and we tend to go through the season in crisis mode in terms of the selection.

[selassie]

Apparently Monsieur Peanuts will up our offer of 750k to 2.5mill to sign Rob Holding from Bolton.

The fact that it takes us months to sign a championship or should I say League One player now that nobody wants tell us all we need to know about our transfer policy. Calling it a Transfer Policy is a compliment.

Wenger and his "Throw our Dog" a bone Transfer Policy is laughable, it's disturbing.

[selassie]

Can anyone really see Wenger paying the prices that are now quoted for top players ?

He would not pay anywhere near the those figures.

If we don't sign a striker, and we struggle next season, which we will, and when the next set of financial results come out they show that we have cash reserves of 200 million plus, what do you think will happen ?

That is correct, a new 3 year contract will be there for him to sign with a big pay rise as well for having so much cash to spare.

That only happens at Arsenal.

Of course he won't, he refuses to adapt, he's a shell of a man stuck on 2007 prices. He won't train, won't buy, won't adapt, flat out refuses to accept. He's right and everybody else is wrong. The sad thing is he is here to stay, he'll decide it ALL.

[Munchies]

this place is a ghost town

Guess we haven't signed anyone then