Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Power n Glory]

I don't even think there is any debate any more. Most of us think Wenger should go. The thing I find tiresome is the way people act like he's the stupidest person on God's green Earth and literally criticise EVERYTHING he says or does.

Wenger says cancer is bad...what a ****, why isn't he signing strikers rather than pontificating about that?
Wenger signs Messi...what a ****, I bet he plays him in goal.
etc.

And I'm the idiot for saying that a transfer window or season should be assessed at the end?
Whatevz...

You really enjoy the conversation! You're prolonging it.

In other news, Chesney will extend his loan with Roma. Good or bad news? A chance to switch this topic.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I do think there is an argument that a culture exists where people will blame and or criticise Wenger for anything

However this don't judge him until the end of the transfer window doesn't hold much water. If we bought a quality player tomorrow it still arguably has been left too late to settle the player into the club before the start of the new season.

He had targets and appeared to move quickly for them, but having gone for one and been stumped for the other he has gone to do punditatry work for the Euros and then appears to be prevaricating when his rivals are far more decisive.

At any normal club a manager would be under pressure to up their game, and wouldn't be allowed to go off moonlighting for a month.

So yes he deserves criticism, and people are understandably frustrated that despite supporters venting their frustrations he seems just not to care and content to carry on as he always has.

I haven't "banged on" about this like I might have done a year ago because it bores me, but to suggest there are no grounds for criticism in this specific instance seems rather to miss the point.

[Letters]

In other news, Chesney will extend his loan with Roma. Good or bad news? A chance to switch this topic.

I think Chesney's OK but not as good as he thinks he is. I'm happy enough with Ospina as a backup for Cech, he did well when Cech was injured last season.

[Kano]

So let's all pack up and go home till he leaves then.
And whatever people think of him, this is the transfer thread. Is it unreasonable to think that people should stick to discussing how people feel about potential signings rather than endless:

We don't sign anyone: Wenger's a ****, why isn't he signing anyone?
There are rumours of a player people don't rate: Wenger's a ****, why would we want him?
There's rumours about signing Messi: Wenger's a ****, it doesn't matter who we sign while he's in charge. Wenger out!

Is this how it's going to be all sodding season?

We get off to a bad start: Wenger's a ****, why didn't he sign enough players?
We get off to a good start: Wenger's a ****, we're only going to collapse?



Is that what every single thread has to be reduced to? Don't you find it tiresome? I know I'm not the only person who does.

I'm looking forward to seeing football back again in a few weeks. I'm resigned to the fact nothing will change under Wenger but I love my club and will continue following them closely regardless. My expectations are lower but crying about it in every post is pointless too. It's actually quite funny watching the levels of dementia rise as people keep saying one thing and then do another online. Crazily, even though my brain tells me logically that the same cycle will repeat again this season, my heart is trying to kid me into believing just a little once again, as nearly every football fan does across the country. If fans have no hope left at all in them, it's best to take a break and come back in a season or two. It's self-defeating otherwise.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I would rather have Szczesny back here as i think Ospina is worse (if that's possible) than Almunia.

However what i will say is that I do back Wenger in sending him out on loan, smoking in the changing rooms is an act of total disrespect and Wenger is right to no longer see him as part of his plans if he can't act like a professional.

[Letters]

However this don't judge him until the end of the transfer window doesn't hold much water. If we bought a quality player tomorrow it still arguably has been left too late to settle the player into the club before the start of the new season.

I said you judge a transfer window or season at the end. There is no counter argument to that. You can judge Wenger whenever you like but actually surely we just care how Arsenal do. Obviously those things are entangled. Yes, he deserves criticism, when did I say there were no grounds for criticism? But does EVERYTHING he does or say deserve derision? Not really. There's an absolutely massive middle ground, any attempt to take it is met with howls of derision and claims that people are sucking Wenger's cock. It's that which is tiresome.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I said you judge a transfer window or season at the end. There is no counter argument to that. You can judge Wenger whenever you like but actually surely we just care how Arsenal do. Obviously those things are entangled. Yes, he deserves criticism, when did I say there were no grounds for criticism? But does EVERYTHING he does or say deserve derision? Not really. There's an absolutely massive middle ground, any attempt to take it is met with howls of derision and claims that people are sucking Wenger's cock. It's that which is tiresome.

So basically the issue you have is not that the judgement is premature, but that there is no sense of perspective or measured thought in the criticism

Welcome to the Internet

[Letters]

I'm looking forward to seeing football back again in a few weeks. I'm resigned to the fact nothing will change under Wenger but I love my club and will continue following them closely regardless. My expectations are lower but crying about it in every post is pointless too. It's actually quite funny watching the levels of dementia rise as people keep saying one thing and then do another online. Crazily, even though my brain tells me logically that the same cycle will repeat again this season, my heart is trying to kid me into believing just a little once again, as nearly every football fan does across the country. If fans have no hope left at all in them, it's best to take a break and come back in a season or two. It's self-defeating otherwise.

It is the hope that kills you
I do have some hopes for this season, we DO have a good squad. IMO it's good enough to challenge. We DID just finish 2nd...
We need more up front but we should have plenty of goals in this side anyway. We're not that far away from a side that can win the league in my view, leaving aside the obvious reason we might not challenge. Squad wise we're not far off.

[Letters]

So basically the issue you have is not that the judgement is premature, but that there is no sense of perspective or measured thought in the criticism

Welcome to the Internet

I guess...

[Power n Glory]

I think Chesney's OK but not as good as he thinks he is. I'm happy enough with Ospina as a backup for Cech, he did well when Cech was injured last season.

Ospina did ok last season but I hope we keep Chesney. He has character. I just hope he comes back a better keeper.