Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Niall_Quinn]

And yet his goal scoring record is worse by pretty much every measure.
15,8,16 in the last 3 league seasons for Gameiro vs 16,14,16 for Giroud.
Giroud had played more games in that period but Giroud's goals/games ratio is still better, 0.45 vs 0.42 for Gameiro.
So 'much better'? How do you work that out?

Didn't Giroud go 18 games without scoring a goal, or something like that? That's what kills you, the inconsistency. Better to have a striker that scores less but scores every other week than a part-timer like Giroud who score in one clump and then fucks off for the rest of the season.

[Niall_Quinn]

This is one thing that does frustrate me about the way we play, in theory we've got loads of pace in the team but we're so ineffectual at breaking with pace. We move the ball forward at glacial speed and then wonder why we're struggling to break down the 10 men who have now had time to get behind the ball.

We have to play like that because the chavs and gypos have too much money.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'd go with that. But maybe Ox, Theo or Iwobi on the wing instead of Cazorla. We need a bit of pace.

He'll put Cazorla in the middle just in front of Xhaka and stick Ramsey on the wing. You know he will.

[Kano]

I think I heard it said by Arseblog, or his mate on the podcast the other week that we have been conditioned to Wengers thinking when it comes to money, like we have some sort of vested interest in the money side of things. I think this is true for me. Im shocked at the money for transfers now. I really need to get into the thinking of `fcuk it, not my money, lets go big!`, and it really isnt my money. I dont contribute to arsenal at all, dont go to the games, dont by shirts or merch, wont pay for BT/Sky etc. If palace and West Ham are bidding £30+ million for players, we really need to be at the very least matching them.
We have masses of money, play in London, CL football, we really should be able to buy nearly anyone, although there are those top 10-15 players in the world that we couldnt get, but everyone else we could easily throw masses of cash at the club and player to get them here.

I heard that too but it is something I've read elsewhere. It's true to an extent but I think it applies to almost every football fan now. The analysis of football and the rise in wages and fees alongside societies increased use of the Internet means a never ending stream of facts and figures are thrown around for us to digest. Almost any position about any argument on any topic could be substantiated if you relied solely on data online. If it isn't the cost of of players, annual accounts are picked apart, every last detail about how many times a player scratched his balls in 90 minutes and his success ration of doing so. Stats, facts and figures have become the bedrock of how managers, coaches and scouts look at players too, while Sky dump a shit load of numbers about the game every day. It's the Billy Beane-ification of the sport that has taken over in almost every department, and I don't think it's any coincidence that during this period the quality of football on domestic and international stages has gone to shit. Too much analysis stifles anything and that's what we have here I think.

[Niall_Quinn]

Robbie from AFTV said he spoke to Gazidis at the kit launch and Gazidis promised that hard work is being done behind the scenes, said Kroenke wants to win too, and that he's angry with the British press for misreporting how we're going after players.

Video : https://twitter.com/ArsenalFanTV/sta...75771552145408

Believe it when we see it

Good. The more fans that react to the media bullshit the better. I doubt in reality that Stan has noticed anything beyond the bank statement but if he is keeping an eye out then let's give him some real vitriol to drink. That's the only way to get through to a guy like that. Begging him won't work, being reasonable won't work. Metaphorically kicking him in the cunt is what's required, week after week, until he does what all bosses do and lays the blame on somebody else. In this case Wenger. Job done.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

It doesn't matter if the clause was valid or not, the real issue was our £1 nonsense. It showed we were opportunity shopping and bargain hunting rather than going full guns for the player we needed and still need. Forget the clause, bang £50mill on the table, we're serious! Instead, here is our coupon, can we have your player please? No? Merd! And extra 10 or even 20 mill could have been recouped in no time, just by using the extra firepower to advance further in the CL, for example. Our cheapskate, value for money bullshit ends up costing us in the end. We're stupid arse savers in an inflation ridden market - now how dumb is that?

The veracity of the clause was wholly important. Had it been a standard clause we wouldn't even be having this conversation as Liverpool would have had no leg to stand on and signing him a formality and fuhk giving them a penny more. Yes we are cheap and yes it has cost us at times, but get your facts in order and your propensity for cheapness won't make you look fools in the public eye.

In fairness, given that it wasn't a proper clause, we should have just bid enough to get him outright first time or at least dropped the pound malarkey. But again, we should have got our shit 'facts' straight.

He'd have pissed off soon enough for 70/80 mill.....but I won't complain about a revolving door of world class strikers because the money recouped would have enabled that.

I'd go with that. But maybe Ox, Theo or Iwobi on the wing instead of Cazorla. We need a bit of pace.

I don't think we can play Ozil wide either...... and I'd start with Theo up front, particularly with Xhaka and Ozil in the team. Use the early and precise ball to our full advantage. Think Giroud has extra time off anyway so won't start the season.

[bignev]

No. I'm saying Wenger's such a shit manager that maybe Suarez would have suffered a total loss of form under him or sustained a major injury.

This is so ridiculous. Wenger isn't a shit manager. How could he be? We never spend any money and yet every year we're there abouts. If he was that bad this wouldn't be the case.

Of course there are better managers out there and we could definitely be doing a lot more to improve our team. We agree on that.

I don't buy into Wenger being the worst manager of all time just because he doesn't spend money where we want him to.

I'm fairly sure we would have won the league if we had bought Suarez. I'm sure if you could see objectively for 5 seconds you would agree.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The most sensible opinion to have is that Wenger is a manager who is too stubborn to learn from his mistakes

A shit manager would have been sacked, because the money is coming in there is little incentive to push him to be more proactive, delegate responsibility and be willing to learn from his mistakes.

The contempt people have for him is borne out of knowing the club should be competitive, but seems to fall in much the same way at much the same time during the season, and can see the link between this and a reactive submissive attitude in the transfer market.

That and the perceived lack of ruthlessness towards under performing players, whilst all the while it's costing more and more to see the same thing.

He's not shit, but he's a bane towards fans who quite understandably are sick of more of the same.

[Letters]

I think I heard it said by Arseblog, or his mate on the podcast the other week that we have been conditioned to Wengers thinking when it comes to money, like we have some sort of vested interest in the money side of things. I think this is true for me. Im shocked at the money for transfers now. I really need to get into the thinking of `fcuk it, not my money, lets go big!`, and it really isnt my money. I dont contribute to arsenal at all, dont go to the games, dont by shirts or merch, wont pay for BT/Sky etc. If palace and West Ham are bidding £30+ million for players, we really need to be at the very least matching them.
We have masses of money, play in London, CL football, we really should be able to buy nearly anyone, although there are those top 10-15 players in the world that we couldnt get, but everyone else we could easily throw masses of cash at the club and player to get them here.

I do look at the fees being splashed around and have some sympathy with the view that it's silly money and we shouldn't play. But unfortunately we have to, Leicester showed you can achieve success without spending bit but it was the perfect storm for them last year with us doing what we do and all the other big boys having a bad season at once. They won't repeat it. What they did was very much the exception rather than the rule, if we're going to compete we have to spend big.
BUT, that doesn't mean that having a sustainable model is a bad idea. Like it or not football is a business and any business has to be financially sustainable in order to prosper long term.

[Letters]

No. I'm saying Wenger's such a shit manager that maybe Suarez would have suffered a total loss of form under him or sustained a major injury. That way his rapid departure to Barca might not have been inevitable. But of course you have to refer to the whole paragraph to understand the context of what was a tongue in cheek sub comment. When you pull just the one sentence out so you can change the context and score Internet points then the actual point is lost.

You have said previously that new signings won't make a difference. But you keep complaining we're not making new signings.
Dress it up how you like, you're contradicting yourself so you can score more IHateWengerMoreThanYou points.
Still think Zim is winning but you're catching up.