Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[Özim]

Again i think that's your opinion, i think they are more scared of change and prefer to fall back on the fact that we have a level of consistency under this manager. I think if Wenger goes they will be just as supportive and optimistic about the next manager

Why is that? Yes it's because Wenger and co have somehow made themselves irreplaceable, without them we can't possibly get 4th place or get knocked out of the CL in the last 16, so what, at any other big club those are non achievements and would result in being sacked and that's how it should be.

Fear of losing what we have, precisely nothing.

[Özim]

Going back to th vicious cycle I pointed out above, this goes beyond Wenger. Yes a new manager will hopefully make more of what is at his disposal but being active in the transfer market is something that has been a constant throughout Wenger's time here. Win a PL title and don't go and buy to keep improving the squad which is a key reason we never won back to back titles. The owner won't change, Gazidis will remain - so we'll remain uncompetitive in the transfer field and always one or two steps behind winning the bigger trophies. The fans can only do so much and when we are finishing 2-4th each season, it's hard for paying fans to find real motivation to unseat Wenger. I can't think of another club that has done the same. And please don't compare is to City and Chavs because they are mercenary clubs of the worst kind.

A new manager will want to do things his way (as long as Wenger has nothing to do with his appointment), he'll want to change the team, implement new tactics etc, things will certaily be more exciting which is a start. He'll also most likely rank winning as the main goal, unlike Wenger, as long as he's not a self appointed economist that is.

So yes it would make a difference for sure, right now things are stale, repetitive and very dull. Fans have made their opinions clear before at other clubs, if a manager was unpoular they made it clear and most didn't last long, without fan support a managers' position eventually becomes untenable.

[Letters]

I'm not saying anything, I'm saying they care about Wenger more than Arsenal, that's why they support him blindly despite the facts that's he's not good for Arsenal anymore.

You care (in the sense of having feelings) about Wenger more than Arsenal...

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We've had plenty of chances to replace him and there are plenty of better managers than him if we only looked, we don't though and what will happen is he'll hand pick some Wenger clone when he leaves which would be a disaster.

Other clubs replace their managers without a problem, why should we be any different, it seems to me it's always different for us to other clubs, we don't sign players because of this that or the other, other clubs do, we don't replace our manager because of this that or the other, other clubs do, it's this warped viewpoint again that we can't do what every other club has no problem doing, it's ingrained in this club and it's fans.

It's more that anyone can identify a problem, identifying a solution is much more difficult

I can see now why you support Brexit, get rid of the "problem", think about the solution afterwards

[Özim]

You care (in the sense of having feelings) about Wenger more than Arsenal...

I don't but Wenger is making me care about Arsenal less, that's the problem.

[Özim]

It's more that anyone can identify a problem, identifying a solution is much more difficult

I can see now why you support Brexit, get rid of the "problem", think about the solution afterwards

Why can other clubs do it then if it's so hard, all the top clubs have new managers, they got rid of their previous ones and replaced them with what seem to be on the face of it decent solutions, why is it different for us, is it beause we've been lumbered with this guy and his intolerable ways for 20+ years and he's convinced everyone there is no life after Wenger?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't but Wenger is making me care about Arsenal less, that's the problem.

You obviously seem to care sufficiently to still get riled up on the subject or get frustrated with the opinions of peripheral individuals.

[Özim]

You obviously seem to care sufficiently to still get riled up on the subject or get frustrated with the opinions of peripheral individuals.

I'm just surprised at how blind some people can be, it's the attitude that if you ignore your problems they'll go away.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Why can other clubs do it then if it's so hard, all the top clubs have new managers, they got rid of their previous ones and replaced them with what seem to be on the face of it decent solutions, why is it different for us, is it beause we've been lumbered with this guy and his intolerable ways for 20+ years and he's convinced everyone there is no life after Wenger?

The length of time he's been at the club is a massive factor of course it is, i don't like the fact that the club in a footballing sense is built around the whims of one man....i don't accept that's how it should be. But i accept that being the way it is, you tend to have to be careful about your next move.

If a manager has been at the club two or three years replacing that man isn't an issue, Ferguson had less say in the every day running of the club than Wenger does with Arsenal and the Man United board made an absolute botch of replacing him, and even now are they really that stable long term?....look at the atrocious mess Mourinho left Chelsea in

You may be happy to chop and change every few years like Chelsea, actually winning trophies despite rather than because of that policy....All i'm saying is fine we can do better than Wenger, let's make sure we do the research prepare the groundwork and bring the better person in.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm just surprised at how blind some people can be, it's the attitude that if you ignore your problems they'll go away.

You obviously don't speak to many people, we are all guilty of cognitive dissonance over some aspect of our lives it's human nature.

I shouldn't smoke i have all the information to know that it has a gradual detrimental effect on my health, but if anyone other than a family member or a doctor told me that i shouldn't smoke, i'd tell them where to go.

I get angry when it involves my Dad not looking after his own health, when it comes to someone holding an opinion i think is a bit silly i tend to let it wash over me