Match Reaction v Leicester Away PL

[Gooner23]

Exactly that. It's unbelievable how out of touch he is.

[Globalgunner]

Exactly that. It's unbelievable how out of touch he is.

Nah. He is in touch with his inner self, his needs and that of the no ambition owner. Trophies are things that other teams struggle for and we Arsenal may someday luck upon. The business model at Arsenal is to pretend to compete while spending the absolute minimum possible....and keep Wenger from the devastation of retirement.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

There is no question that it's daft of people saying it's all Wengers fault, yes he has been the one who has pussied out of the transfer market, he's the one who has not prepared the squad properly for the season and he's the one responsible for one point out of six from our opening two games....and yes we know Wenger has unprecedented responsibility but he is still an employee.

For me the buck stops at the top, if an employee is underperforming and the management structure have done nothing to address it than its the management structure ultimately responsible. The board are contemptible cowards who have allowed this man to become a pastiche of himself, giving the excuse that "Arsene is a stubborn man it's hard to convince him", you don't need to convince him force it on him, I don't remember Wenger threatening to resign when Gazidis brought in Shad Forsythe and Wim Jonker without consulting Wenger....that's because Wenger is stubborn but he's non confrontational he only gets away with what he's allowed to get away with.

[AFC Leveller]

I have never heard a football manager at a top club talking about how he worries more about paying the 600 employees than anything else.

[Niall_Quinn]

I have never heard a football manager at a top club talking about how he worries more about paying the 600 employees than anything else.

Also never forget, there is a drain in the car park that consistently overflows. This drain will not repair itself. It will take money to repair it. Do we spend that money on transfers instead?

[Power n Glory]

There is no question that it's daft of people saying it's all Wengers fault, yes he has been the one who has pussied out of the transfer market, he's the one who has not prepared the squad properly for the season and he's the one responsible for one point out of six from our opening two games....and yes we know Wenger has unprecedented responsibility but he is still an employee.

For me the buck stops at the top, if an employee is underperforming and the management structure have done nothing to address it than its the management structure ultimately responsible. The board are contemptible cowards who have allowed this man to become a pastiche of himself, giving the excuse that "Arsene is a stubborn man it's hard to convince him", you don't need to convince him force it on him, I don't remember Wenger threatening to resign when Gazidis brought in Shad Forsythe and Wim Jonker without consulting Wenger....that's because Wenger is stubborn but he's non confrontational he only gets away with what he's allowed to get away with.

Force it on him? That's bad management. I wouldn't want the Board to go that way. They just need to allow him to fall on his own sword. If he's convinced Rob Holding is the answer, then they should hold him to it. If the kid has a bad season or hardly plays, they need to hold him accountable for his decision. I wouldn't want a structure where we force players onto the manager and then look to blame him if it doesn't work out. I wouldn't care so much in Wenger's case, but not if it sets a precedent for the future. Either way, I don't think anyone can really say for sure if Holding is a good or bad signing. They need to just let it play out and play that press conference back to him if we have defensive problems this year.

[Niall_Quinn]

Force it on him? That's bad management. I wouldn't want the Board to go that way. They just need to allow him to fall on his own sword. If he's convinced Rob Holding is the answer, then they should hold him to it. If the kid has a bad season or hardly plays, they need to hold him accountable for his decision. I wouldn't want a structure where we force players onto the manager and then look to blame him if it doesn't work out. I wouldn't care so much in Wenger's case, but not if it sets a precedent for the future. Either way, I don't think anyone can really say for sure if Holding is a good or bad signing. They need to just let it play out and play that press conference back to him if we have defensive problems this year.

Yes, but if we go through the cycle again and Holding turns out to be less than we need (which would hardly be a surprise) then should we also wait for the next cheap option that follows to play out a season before we condemn the manager? Where's Sanogo? Some fans were furious when he arrived, others said give him a chance. The inevitable transpired. Wenger does this endlessly and he should be judged harshly on his catalogue of failure. Yes of course we give the player a chance, but I think Wenger's chances have all been used up. I hope Holding comes through to be a top player, but I also say fuck you Wenger for going the cheapskate route again.

[Globalgunner]

There is no question that it's daft of people saying it's all Wengers fault, yes he has been the one who has pussied out of the transfer market, he's the one who has not prepared the squad properly for the season and he's the one responsible for one point out of six from our opening two games....and yes we know Wenger has unprecedented responsibility but he is still an employee.

For me the buck stops at the top, if an employee is underperforming and the management structure have done nothing to address it than its the management structure ultimately responsible. The board are contemptible cowards who have allowed this man to become a pastiche of himself, giving the excuse that "Arsene is a stubborn man it's hard to convince him", you don't need to convince him force it on him, I don't remember Wenger threatening to resign when Gazidis brought in Shad Forsythe and Wim Jonker without consulting Wenger....that's because Wenger is stubborn but he's non confrontational he only gets away with what he's allowed to get away with.

You always engage in deflection rather than realism. What does it take for you to realise that Arsenal have no board, Not in the true sense of it. The management structure at Arsenal is 2 step. Kroenke on top, Wenger directly below him. Trying to blame the board is something you and sometimes Letters always engage in. Thats why some say you have Wenger leanings. You need to see your way clear before you can see the source of the problem and the route to the solution.
Chips and co are just seats in a board room that might as well be a cigar smoking club. There is no board. The same board that has come out to state, that they only do what Wenger wants and when he wants nothing, they do nothing. Wenger talks directly to Kroenke and Gazidis does the jobs that Wenger doesnt want to do like paying the Mortgage bills and maybe the unplugging the toilets after every home game with the Spuds.

[Power n Glory]

Yes, but if we go through the cycle again and Holding turns out to be less than we need (which would hardly be a surprise) then should we also wait for the next cheap option that follows to play out a season before we condemn the manager? Where's Sanogo? Some fans were furious when he arrived, others said give him a chance. The inevitable transpired. Wenger does this endlessly and he should be judged harshly on his catalogue of failure. Yes of course we give the player a chance, but I think Wenger's chances have all been used up. I hope Holding comes through to be a top player, but I also say fuck you Wenger for going the cheapskate route again.

If the Board are having to step in to force Wenger's hand, it's a deeper problem because we'll only arrive at the sake problems in the next transfer window and they'll have to do the same. They have to let him go if that's the case and they're having to force him to see sense.

The season when Wenger said the same rubbish about Sanogo not being rated because he didn't have a £50m price tag, we did a deadline deal for Danny Welbeck. What if that deal was forced on him? What if scouts came up with the Xhaka signing using Stating? I heard Gabriel had good stats as well. What if he was a suggestion and forced on Wenger? The thing is we don't know what signings the Board have had to lean on him for and what they've left up to him. We all suspect Gazidis had to convince Wenger to sigh Arshavin and that panic buy for Arteta, Merts and Park. They just need to fund the balls to get rid of him if we're at this point.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You always engage in deflection rather than realism. What does it take for you to realise that Arsenal have no board, Not in the true sense of it. The management structure at Arsenal is 2 step. Kroenke on top, Wenger directly below him. Trying to blame the board is something you and sometimes Letters always engage in. Thats why some say you have Wenger leanings. You need to see your way clear before you can see the source of the problem and the route to the solution.
Chips and co are just seats in a board room that might as well be a cigar smoking club. There is no board. The same board that has come out to state, that they only do what Wenger wants and when he wants nothing, they do nothing. Wenger talks directly to Kroenke and Gazidis does the jobs that Wenger doesnt want to do like paying the Mortgage bills and maybe the unplugging the toilets after every home game with the Spuds.

Some say? you mean you say.

I am under no illusion that there is no tangible hierarchy at the club and that's my point, but fact remains that Wenger is an employee he serves at someone's pleasure be it the board or de facto the majority shareholder. And ultimately if he is not performing it's incumbent on those in charge to directly intervene and either dispense with his services or at least insist upon him that his current job performance is not acceptable.
Whether that takes direct intervention in terms of transfers P n G is irrelevant, the fact remains either they are happy with how he's doing his job or don't care enough to do anything about it ergo they are 100% responsible.