Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Kano]

That's not necessarily the case, you don't need to care about something to do a good job, if you're motivated by self gratification doing a good job also means increased rewards for you, there's plenty of examples of people who don't give a toss about the company they work for but make a shedload and thus do a good job in the eyes of their employer. Wenger fits into that category, he makes his employers richer, so they're happy, in return he gets richer and gets no pressure from them and gets to fill his life by using Arsenal as his little plaything he can do what he wants with.

I feel the same about Wenger and I think quite a few people do now, hence the lack of interest these days, it's very hard to support his current regime, it's a dictatorship led by a man who only cares about his own opinion, he compounds it by rubbing it in in public self indulgent speeches and by refusing to do anything that might make the paying customer happy.

Wenger isn't so different to Mourinho, he's just much more subtle with his digs and more controlled with his rants, whereas Mourinho is up front about what he thinks, main difference is Mourinho wins.

There's a massive difference between having pride in your work and caring about your company and liking your job. Most people fall into the former category.

It's quite interesting that you said a few days ago you couldn't care less how much he earns yet every single post of yours alludes to his salary. Must be coincidence. Or more evidence, I'm not sure.

I don't support Wenger, I support Arsenal, hence why I'm honest enough to say I still pay close attention to what my club. It isn't true that people aren't paying as close attention in the main. There are examples on this board for example. You've said it several times but pop up in match threads commenting on the game and other PL matches. There's only one man who could change that for me but thankfully that cuntball Maureen will never be in charge of my club.

[Özim]

There's a massive difference between having pride in your work and caring about your company and liking your job. Most people fall into the former category.

It's quite interesting that you said a few days ago you couldn't care less how much he earns yet every single post of yours alludes to his salary. Must be coincidence. Or more evidence, I'm not sure.

I don't support Wenger, I support Arsenal, hence why I'm honest enough to say I still pay close attention to what my club. It isn't true that people aren't paying as close attention in the main. There are examples on this board for example. You've said it several times but pop up in match threads commenting on the game and other PL matches. There's only one man who could change that for me but thankfully that cuntball Maureen will never be in charge of my club.

Well your post is questioning the ascertion he cares about the club, not his job, so my point stands about caring about your job to the extent that it brings rewards if you do it well (according to your employers).

I don't care, however I do care about the fact he's doing a sh*t job and getting rewarded so handsomely for it, it's like a pat on the back saying well done.

Supporting Arsenal in the current climate surely would mean you don't support Wenger, because from what I and most people can see he's destroying the club at the moment in every way but financially. I post on here because I actually get more enjoyment from that than watching the match and the reason for that is one Monsieur Wenger and his horrible repetitive brand of football, ridiculous resistance to change and pig headedness when it comes to accepting responsibility. Watching Arsenal is no longer enjoyable for me, it was years ago, but not today, today, it's dull, unexciting and predictable, there's nothing entertaining about it, despite what Wenger thinks.

I'd take Mourinho over Wenger anyday simply because his focus is football, not the finances, and important distinction between a football manager and an accountant. The man has forgotten what management is and now makes it his duty to keep his hands on the purse strings and make sure not too much is spent so that at the end of the season his employers can shake his hand, thank him for another profitable season and maybe pat him on the back (another pay rise), that's satisfaction for him, not succeeding on the pitch and that's completely wrong, hence the reason quite a large percentage of people now can't stand him (not just here either).

[selassie]

I just think Kroenke and Gazidis rely on Wenger for so much when it comes to football knowledge that why would they look elsewhere when they can just bring him in even closer to the operational side of things once the management gig is up? Hopefully Wenger looks at the bigger picture in terms of how that would affect the next manager and decide to take an ambassadorial role instead.

I agree Kano, I think Wenger will be fully involved in hiring out the new manager and overseeing the transition, or at least I think Kroenke and his cronies will want that.

Yeah would hope he would take an ambassadorial type role too, like Fergie at United.

[Niall_Quinn]

He'll get a shitload of offers when (if) he leaves. Hopefully one of them will be too good to turn down. We need him and his influence out of the club, and if that means Kroenke and Co find themselves underwater then tough shit. Start swimming. BECAUSE of what Wenger has done, this club will probably have to self destruct before it can rebuild. Any hint of continuity or stability simply means the board wants a smooth transition from one state to the same state, nothing will change.

[AFC Leveller]

I agree Kano, I think Wenger will be fully involved in hiring out the new manager and overseeing the transition, or at least I think Kroenke and his cronies will want that.

Yeah would hope he would take an ambassadorial type role too, like Fergie at United.

Wenger is an employer's dream, he gets the job done, works all the time and doesnt waste any of the money on transfers (he does waste it on average players' wages though).

[Power n Glory]

I'm not so sure. When Gazidis appointed Jonker as Youth Academy Manager, Wenger wasn't part of the selection process.

One of our former coaches that's biter about being overlooked for the job said the following.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...th-development

Burton was bitterly disappointed with that decision and in January told Arsène Wenger – who had informed him that he played no part in the selection process –

“I went to see Arsène, and Arsène said he’d had nothing to do with it – he hadn’t signed his contract at that time. I told Arsène in the January that I would leave in the summer. He said: ‘Don’t go, I’d like you to stay’. But I didn’t want to work under someone else. I was prepared to do it because it was Liam Brady, but not someone brought in from outside.”

Maybe Wenger won't pick his own successor.

[Power n Glory]

This is interesting.

An interview with Jonker.

http://news.arseblog.com/2014/10/jon...-restructured/

In an interview with Dutch football magazine Voetbal International [paywalled], published in September, Andries Jonker has claimed that Arsenal must overhaul their entire scouting network if they are to turn the club’s Academy into the best in the world.

The Dutchman was appointed head of the Academy this summer and has wasted no time auditing the entire set-up and reshuffling personnel recruiting compatriots Frans de Kat and Jan van Loon to take over the under-18 and under-16 squads.

Speaking passionately about Arsenal’s youth project the former Bayern Munich and Barcelona coach outlined the changes he thinks the Gunners must make.

“Arsenal want more talented players to come through, because that has been lacking. They want me to develop the players from the academy much better than it was done before.

“At this moment, considering the investments the club have made, players have hardly been developed properly. This is why they wanted me, a man who can guide the coaches and who can influence the other coaches.

“Ivan Gazidis wants Arsenal to be the best academy in the world. He realises that will cost money and will take time, but that is his ambition.

“The scouting must be restructured all over again. It needs to be brought to a level so that we can bring in the absolute best talents from abroad and from England at an age that Wenger can immediately work with them.

“My chief scout at the academy, Steve Morrow, came and asked me what kind of players I wanted him to look for. So I said, the best player I have worked on, Xavi.

Revealing Arsene Wenger tried to bring him to Arsenal after Euro 2012 (he instead became Felix Magath’s assistant at Wolfsburg) Jonker opened up on how his relationship with the Frenchman has strengthened thanks to a mutual respect for technically astute football.

“Almost every day Wenger and I go through a number of things. He is approachable, but I do have to show him what we are doing. We must not go behind his back.

“It is important that Wenger and I work closely together. What I do see is that everybody at the club has the feeling that they need to have the green light from Wenger before they do anything. But maybe that is not the case.

“I have a very good feeling about the way Wenger and I are working together. We both think the technical side of the game is very important.

“But there are a lot of things in the academy which can be improved or should be done different.”

In a separate interview, also appearing in the Dutch press, Jonker made clear that there’s no point bothering with a youth academy if you don’t have a manager who wants to promote homegrown talent. Interestingly he also confirmed the club have assured him that this is a long-term ambition that’ll long outlast Arsene Wenger.

“I think it is very important to pay attention to youth, that’s why it’s good that we’ve a manager like Arsene.

“If you have a first team coach who doesn’t believe in young player you have to question why you even have a youth academy. I’m glad that he’s extended his contract but the club have told me that when or if he leaves, that a similar kind of manager will be appointed. I also found this important.”

On the issue of restructuring the scouting network it appears Jonker has already started putting plans in place. Shaun O’Connor (the man who discovered Jack Wilshere) has already returned to the Emirates after a spell at Brentford and former Reading and Leeds United boss (and ex-Gooner) Brian McDermott is also thought to have been signed up to work with Steve Rowley.

Some interesting points. Wenger was aware of Jonker before Gazidis brought him over and wanted to sign him up himself. I guess that makes things makes sense. Also the the part about Wenger giving the green light makes a lot of sense. The Henry coaching decision now seems more clear.

[Kano]

Well your post is questioning the ascertion he cares about the club, not his job, so my point stands about caring about your job to the extent that it brings rewards if you do it well (according to your employers).

Nope that's your interpretation for some reason. The post that you replied to spoke about people caring to do well. Which is the majority of people. People who may not like their work or the company that employs them but realise that in order to progress, they need to have some pride in their work to do so. My post and posts about Wenger's care and attention have been primarily about his attention towards his work and day to day duties. I believe he still wants to do his best. But that best just isn't good enough anymore to achieve success as us fans define it. But on the topic of do I think he cares about the club? Yes I do. Just because his methods and ideas don't sit with mine it doesn't mean I will assume he feels negatively at the place he works in. And of course I don't 'support' Wenger, why would I keep posting he should of left years ago I believed in his methods? But I don't feel the need to pick at the bones of everything he does because I won't allow myself to get that wound up by him. And I certainly won't allow his interviews and words to get under my skin. I learnt to ignore those some time ago.

[Özim]

Nope that's your interpretation for some reason. The post that you replied to spoke about people caring to do well. Which is the majority of people. People who may not like their work or the company that employs them but realise that in order to progress, they need to have some pride in their work to do so. My post and posts about Wenger's care and attention have been primarily about his attention towards his work and day to day duties. I believe he still wants to do his best. But that best just isn't good enough anymore to achieve success as us fans define it. But on the topic of do I think he cares about the club? Yes I do. Just because his methods and ideas don't sit with mine it doesn't mean I will assume he feels negatively at the place he works in. And of course I don't 'support' Wenger, why would I keep posting he should of left years ago I believed in his methods? But I don't feel the need to pick at the bones of everything he does because I won't allow myself to get that wound up by him. And I certainly won't allow his interviews and words to get under my skin. I learnt to ignore those some time ago.

For me caring for your job and caring for the club are two different things, I agree he cares about his job, if he does it well he gets satisfaction and rewarded well, his job as he sees it though doesn't appear to be footabll performance related, it seems more financial performance related so I don't care much for his idea of doing a good job.

Letters has constantly said he cares about the club (this is a very selfless thing) as opposed to caring for your job (more of a sense of pride and I guess also more about financial reward, so in a sense that's more for yourself), I don't really care about either but don't believe he cares about the club to be honest, but more importantly he's not doing a good job football wise, if he was I would't care either way, being a good manager doesn't involve caring for a club, it involves making the right decisions to bring success.

It's hard not to get irritated by the man for example, because he almost seems to go out of his way to do things to wind people up or prove them wrong, just when you think he can't get more complacent he does and then goes and gloats about it with a multitude of excuses in the media, find it all pretty pathetic the way he absolves himself of responsibility and despite evidence to the contrary refuses to acknowlegde widely known facts about the teams limitations, or at least he doing seem to have much motivation to do anything about them.

Let's be honest here, the majority of people think he's rather odd in the way he manages, they don't understand you can fail to remedy certain issues, only a select few (Ty AFTV ) still make excuses for the inexcusable.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Not that Maureen would sell but I am curious, how much do you think Rashford would go for?