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Thread: Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm View Post
    Why won't you just admit he needs to go?

    So sick of you defending him for everything.
    He's the 2nd* best human who has ever lived, tbh

    * - #Jebus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    He's the 2nd* best human who has ever lived, tbh

    * - #Jebus.
    2nd best human?

    that's not really a high standard to hold someone to

    It's like saying Staphylococcus is the 2nd best bacterial infection

    #selfhatinghumanbeing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Lacacettte -5 goals in 3 games.

    It's not going to happen for us. Crazy.
    Sad thing is we would most likely have signed the likes of Lacazette and Mustafi back in July if we had paid the going rate for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    Sad thing is we would most likely have signed the likes of Lacazette and Mustafi back in July if we had paid the going rate for them.
    The bid for Lacazette was made in July

    And Mertesacker didn't get injured until 22nd July, never any intention of signing a first team centre back before then

    The point is we started out in the transfer market in May and we are where we are because Wenger dithers and agonises over making signings and no amount of earlier action would change that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    The bid for Lacazette was made in July

    And Mertesacker didn't get injured until 22nd July, never any intention of signing a first team centre back before then
    Our bid for Lacazette was 10million Euros below what they wanted at the time and we never went back if reports are to be believed. I don't understand our mentality in the market, if you like a player why make the one bid then walk away?

    We needed a proper CB even before Merts injury IMO, of course Wenger thinks otherwise and it seems he will stick with one of Gabriel, Holding or Chambers to partner Kos. We aint signing a starting CB with the prices being quoted for our targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    Our bid for Lacazette was 10million Euros below what they wanted at the time and we never went back if reports are to be believed. I don't understand our mentality in the market, if you like a player why make the one bid then walk away?

    We needed a proper CB even before Merts injury IMO, of course Wenger thinks otherwise and it seems he will stick with one of Gabriel, Holding or Chambers to partner Kos. We aint signing a starting CB with the prices being quoted for our targets.
    I think basically it's for one of two reasons, either we're cheap and just want to get players on the cheap (won't happen), or we put these bids in knowing full well they'll get rejected (and if it doesn't it's a lowbal offer anyway so nothing to lose) anyway and we can then point to the fact we tried to sign players (to the fans) but they were too expensive because let's face it we were never going to sign Lacazette for less than West Ham had offered, it was a pointless bid.

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    http://arseblog.com/2016/08/stan-kro...bly-get-worse/

    Andrew of Arseblog appears to see things the way I do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    http://arseblog.com/2016/08/stan-kro...bly-get-worse/

    Andrew of Arseblog appears to see things the way I do
    Noone absolves Kroenke of blame, he's clearly a problem as well, one thing at a time though, get rid of the manager first because that's the easier solution and will make a difference as that stubborn man in charge is doing too many things wrong, you have to start somewhere.

    Getting an owner to move on is a hard thing to do, especially when he's never around and not really interested, it would be different if he lived in the UK and was at matches, we've got ourselves the worst kind of owner of all, facilitated by all the previous board members who sold their shares sadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Noone absolves Kroenke of blame, he's clearly a problem as well, one thing at a time though, get rid of the manager first because that's the easier solution and will make a difference as that stubborn man in charge is doing too many things wrong, you have to start somewhere.

    Getting an owner to move on is a hard thing to do, especially when he's never around and not really interested, it would be different if he lived in the UK and was at matches, we've got ourselves the worst kind of owner of all, facilitated by all the previous board members who sold their shares sadly.
    No-one is stating that Wenger shouldn't move on, he's a relic...even with a better owner I still think he'd be making the same basic mistakes and not learning from them.

    All i've ever tried to do is manage expectations, get rid of Wenger fine no argument from me....what then?.....who do we get in?.....can we really make the assumption that we are going to be an automatic draw to someone like Diego Simeone who doesn't speak English, for me gets his teams playing far more dull football than we do under Wenger and in my mind has absolutely no reason to want to leave Atletico Madrid for us.
    Then what??.....Wenger whatever else we think of him is better than a great deal of the managers in the premier league currently, trying to claim that anyone could have kept a club of our stature consistent is on the surface unfalsifiable but essentially countered by evidence of what has happened to big clubs like Manchester united and Chelsea in the last three years.
    I don't want to qualify for the top four just for the sake of it, but neither do i want us to fall out of the top four just for the want of something different
    The stagnation, the ground hog season year after year is all interminable and so unnecessary but to pretend literally anyone is our ticket out of there is naive in the extreme.
    Tuchel?, Bilic?, Low?, Koeman?....the man we bring in seems to me twice as important as just getting rid of the current manager apart from giving certain supporters like yourself a brief moment of catharsis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I don't expect us to challenge for the title this season, but I do think we SHOULD be challenging for the title with our resources.
    The fact I feel we should challenge, and the fact I don't expect us to are both down to Wenger, confusingly.
    So when I say he is incompetent and an idiot (which does NOT mean unintelligent as I have pointed out), you call that an extreme position. You hold up perennial underachievement as a measure of competency. You equate the desire of the fans to compete with Wenger's mere presence. It is quite possible for somebody to be good at their job for part of their career and incompetent for another part, and this is the case with Wenger.

    If he cannot use the resources he has properly, if he cannot correct repeating mistakes, if he can not mount a serious title challenge given all the advantages at his disposal, if he cannot operate with any sort of efficiency in the transfer market, if he cannot progress in the Champions League and routinely falters against inferior opponents...

    Is he competent, or incompetent? By the definition of the word?

    And if he keeps on repeating the same steps that lead to the same mistakes and refuses to change, and indeed gets defensive and hostile when challenged because he is determined not to even listen, let alone change...

    Is he an idiot?

    Doesn't the evidence point very strongly to the fact he is an incompetent idiot? I think it does.
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