Are the glory days over for good?

[Marc Overmars]

Gervinho's lack of end product is frustrating but at least he's getting into these positions. A bit like Adebayor in his early days with us.

With a bit of patience I think he will decent for us.

[Marc Overmars]

yep, gone for good.

its people that thought having campbell, henry, pires and bergkamp - arguably the 4 best players in the world in their positions - was an everyday thing that have caused themselves most strife. they keep looking for the same high.

personally I thought the 07/08 side was excellent in its own right (so I cant accept wenger has done dikk all for 7 years) but the people who harp back to the invincibles cant see that.

You're right that was certainly a golden period for us, one that we can never take for granted. However I think it's past the point now where people use the Invincibles to judge the standard.

People use an average football team as the standard now and even there we fall short of the basic requirements.

[selassie]

Nope

Just struggling to understand why you think Gervinho is looking the better signing.

I accept that it's early days for Gervinho and he has shown promise but if I'm being honest he looks to me like he's very much a Project/Work in Progress type player, I think Wenger has a lot of work to do to get Gervinho playing at a high level every week.

Mata on the other hand has looked as if he's hit the ground running, he's not an unknown quantity, he's pretty much the finished product. Wenger wouldn't have needed to do much work if any on Mata IMHO but that's the difference 10million makes I suppose.

[Flavs]

Just struggling to understand why you think Gervinho is looking the better signing.

I accept that it's early days for Gervinho and he has shown promise but if I'm being honest he looks to me like he's very much a Project/Work in Progress type player, I think Wenger has a lot of work to do to get Gervinho playing at a high level every week.

Mata on the other hand has looked as if he's hit the ground running, he's not an unknown quantity, he's pretty much the finished product. Wenger wouldn't have needed to do much work if any on Mata IMHO but that's the difference 10million makes I suppose.

Mata would have failed at us IMO he is that small weak type player that doesn't do well ( I am looking at your Theo here) Gervinho is bigger, stronger and looks like he has a bit of will about him that he will need here. IMO he is the better signing for us. Of course i would have had both but hey ho

[Özim]

No other manager in our history had managed to so I'm not sure why you think that.

Wenger shouldn't be solely credited with the new stadium but he DID propel us to the level where a new stadium could be justified. Graham's side, successful as it was at times, would never have filled a 60,000 seater stadium at the prices Arsenal are currently charging.

Graham wasn't far off in much less time that Wenger to be honest.

Wenger has been with us what 15 years, that's a long time and give a good manager that long I'm sure he'd have delivered a fair few trophies.

As for the stadium and prices, that's some sort of minor miracle I must admit as we're playing some horrible stuff at times and we collapse every season, it seems there are people who will pay regardless of what they get or how they are treated.

[Özim]

Gervinho's lack of end product is frustrating but at least he's getting into these positions. A bit like Adebayor in his early days with us.

With a bit of patience I think he will decent for us.

We've seen this before though right, players with no end product.....he's decent and energetic but in the final third he's been hopeless thus far, his shooting is weak, he picks the wrong option too often and just doesn't deliver.....bit like Eboue did.

I'm not expecting many goals from Gervinho though to be fair as he had a very average career goal record in France as well.

I think he has something to offer, but I don't see his end product improving under Wenger who's teams in the last 6 years have often had players who lack that end product.

[Fist of Lehmann]

As for the stadium and prices, that's some sort of minor miracle I must admit as we're playing some horrible stuff at times and we collapse every season, it seems there are people who will pay regardless of what they get or how they are treated.

So what are you saying here? Your argument (against the assertion that Wenger could fill a 60,000 seat stadium and Graham could not) is that paying supporters are idiots?

[Master Splinter]

So it's not on! anymore?

[Power n Glory]

Mata would have failed at us IMO he is that small weak type player that doesn't do well ( I am looking at your Theo here) Gervinho is bigger, stronger and looks like he has a bit of will about him that he will need here. IMO he is the better signing for us. Of course i would have had both but hey ho

But he has no end product and makes the wrong decisions. The type an experienced winger shouldn't be making at this level. We get on Theo's case about such things and Gervinho shouldn't be given a free ride.

[Letters]

So what are you saying here? Your argument (against the assertion that Wenger could fill a 60,000 seat stadium and Graham could not) is that paying supporters are idiots?

Till the last couple of years the football has still been very good IMO.
It's certainly not as good now as it was and this season it's been awful at times but overall there's no comparison between Wenger's Arsenal and some of the Graham sides during which the chant "Boring Boring Arsenal" was born. It was also the era in which "One Nill To The Arsenal" became popular which was another acknowledgement of our overly defensive style.
We really weren't a very good side to watch towards the end of the Graham era. We won a few trophies and if you don't go to games and just care about the end result of a season then I can understand people lauding that side. If you go game by game though you'll know it was mostly horrible to watch, the results were awful and we weren't even filling Highbury, we definitely wouldn't have filled The Emirates.

Graham did make the most of a mediocre squad and it punched above its weight although it has to be said that it was an era without billionaire owners and the gap between the haves and have nots was much smaller, it was easier for a mid-table side to win cup competitions in an era when the top few didn't mostly sweep the board because of their huge squad size and depth.