Hull City v Arsenal, Saturday 17th September, 3pm

[Niall_Quinn]

Most Arsenal fans if not all , including me, are frustrated when we lose a game or do not win a major trophy . But it would be totally unfair not to recognize that Arsène is doing a fair job according to the money the club gives him .
I am not against a change of we have ready made replacement .

I think it's totally unreasonable to suggest he's doing even a fair job, particularly in light of the money he's received over several seasons now. If anything, now we have started to spend, we look further away from being competitive. And that's all that most fans are asking. They are not demanding we win the title or reach a succession of CL finals. But this club should be at least competing and we simply aren't doing that. And it's not surprising because the manger makes mistake after mistake and then he repeats those mistakes.

How long have we been waiting to see a top striker at the club again? How long did it take for him to sign a top keeper? He's left the spine of the team weak despite the fact he's had plenty of money of later. This can no longer be excused or compensated for by looking back to 2006, 10 years ago. The failure to challenge has gone on too long now and this manager is way beyond his sell by date. It's only the fact he makes a lot of money for some very greedy non-football people that keeps him here.

On a football level, forget about it. At any other club he'd have been out the door seasons ago - just as CL winners and title winners have been cast aside as the top clubs strive to remain at the top. It used to be we had pride in not rotating our manager every 3 years. But now we have found out the hard way that persisting with this man has been deeply damaging. The ambition at this club has all but gone. We are specialists in mediocrity, the bare minimum, masters of second best and this manager and some of the fans boast about it. It's scandalous. A blight on the club. Of course many fans are going to be pissed by this. Of course they realise there are plenty of alternatives out there that could get this club back on a footballing track.

It's such a shame he's hovered like a bad stench so far beyond the time he could have left with a bit of dignity. Now he's just the guy who can't win, no matter what. No money, plenty of money, strong challenges from the rich teams, total collapse by the rich teams, it doesn't matter. Wenger can't get the better of any of them regardless of the conditions and circumstances. He's yesterday's man and the record proves it. I just hope he's got a shred of self respect left and doesn't try to stretch this out for another 3 years.

[Alpha]

I think it's totally unreasonable to suggest he's doing even a fair job, particularly in light of the money he's received over several seasons now. If anything, now we have started to spend, we look further away from being competitive. And that's all that most fans are asking. They are not demanding we win the title or reach a succession of CL finals. But this club should be at least competing and we simply aren't doing that. And it's not surprising because the manger makes mistake after mistake and then he repeats those mistakes.

How long have we been waiting to see a top striker at the club again? How long did it take for him to sign a top keeper? He's left the spine of the team weak despite the fact he's had plenty of money of later. This can no longer be excused or compensated for by looking back to 2006, 10 years ago. The failure to challenge has gone on too long now and this manager is way beyond his sell by date. It's only the fact he makes a lot of money for some very greedy non-football people that keeps him here.

On a football level, forget about it. At any other club he'd have been out the door seasons ago - just as CL winners and title winners have been cast aside as the top clubs strive to remain at the top. It used to be we had pride in not rotating our manager every 3 years. But now we have found out the hard way that persisting with this man has been deeply damaging. The ambition at this club has all but gone. We are specialists in mediocrity, the bare minimum, masters of second best and this manager and some of the fans boast about it. It's scandalous. A blight on the club. Of course many fans are going to be pissed by this. Of course they realise there are plenty of alternatives out there that could get this club back on a footballing track.

It's such a shame he's hovered like a bad stench so far beyond the time he could have left with a bit of dignity. Now he's just the guy who can't win, no matter what. No money, plenty of money, strong challenges from the rich teams, total collapse by the rich teams, it doesn't matter. Wenger can't get the better of any of them regardless of the conditions and circumstances. He's yesterday's man and the record proves it. I just hope he's got a shred of self respect left and doesn't try to stretch this out for another 3 years.

It seems we are now taking everything for granted . Tottenham and Liverpool always spend more money than Arsenal and they can not give to their fans what he is doing to Arsenal FC .
While I agree he should have done more but ignoring completely what he has done and is doing is also unreasonable in my point of view .

[Niall_Quinn]

It seems we are now taking everything for granted . Tottenham and Liverpool always spend more money than Arsenal and they can not give to their fans what he is doing to Arsenal FC .
While I agree he should have done more but ignoring completely what he has done and is doing is also unreasonable in my point of view .

What do the spuds and the scousers have to do with this? This is like Wenger, yes we lost again but so did all those other teams. I, and many others I suspect, accept there can only be one winner in a title race, one winner in the CL. What would be unreasonable would be to say, you didn't win, you are useless. But that's not what I am saying and that's not what other fans are saying. I'm saying, you had 10 years. You did nothing. You failed to compete. You failed to use the money that has been given to you and when you did use it you mostly spent it like a fool, and on the rare occasions when you spent it wisely you then took the asset and deployed it in a counterproductive manner. I'm saying, you had years to sign the players we need. And here we are, several hundred millions of pounds later, and you haven't signed the players we need.

We can make every excuse possible for this man, and some do. But in the end, he had a job to do and he didn't do it (or maybe he did, in which case he's a despicable human being too). He's a football manager at a supposedly elite team and in 10 years we've done nothing. While our rivals have all had their moments in the sun, Wenger has a perfect record of achieving nothing and I challenge anyone to refute that by listing a single achievement of merit in the last 10 years. Just one. Judged by the standards of our alleged rivals. And if our rivals are now the spuds and the scousers then I rest my case.

It's a poor excuse to claim money is the barrier when you tot up the amount we have spent recently and especially when you look at the efforts of Leicester last season. It's sad to note that the main body of Arsenal fans weren't prepared to expose Wenger as thoroughly as Leicester City did last season. It would be in our interests to expose this man. Instead, the hapless sheep sang his name when it was suggested we make a mild, almost apologetic protest. It's quite pathetic.

10 years. I give him no credit at all because he deserves none. And I'm going on his record, not sentiment and certainly not on the endeavours of equally incompetent fools like Brendan Rodgers or whatever idiot the spuds had in charge over the last decade. Arsenal is my interest and the basis on which I make all judgement.

[Kano]

This is goonersweb . We question everything a coach of Wenger ability does . We are not going to be surprised next time when a fan with no experience in coaching at all would ask to take his place .

This is the Internet. Nothing can exist in the dull grey areas because that is boring, like real life. Online it has to be absolutely extreme, one way or the other. There are egos to be fed after all.

[Niall_Quinn]

This is the Internet. Nothing can exist in the dull grey areas because that is boring, like real life. Online it has to be absolutely extreme, one way or the other. There are egos to be fed after all.

Talk about missing the point. We have football to compensate for the dull grey, don't we? You haven't properly thought through your conceitedness this time.

[Thierrymon]

This match is actually on free to air television over here. What is this wizardry?

Giroud's out. Probably a response to his sending off midweek. I just hope we dont start Alexis up front, he is much more effective from out wide.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

if we play like we did on tuesday we will lose, because i don't believe even Hull would pass up the chances to score that Edinson Cavani missed.

I think tomorrow is a good day to rest the Coqzorla partnership (especially as Coquelin played like a slag on tuesday)

Although i think Elneny would be a good physical presence against Chelsea, would be happy with a central midfield triangle of Cazorla, Xhaka and Ozil....you know the one that really looked like it worked against Watford.

A slag carrying out the orders of her pimp.......allegedly.

[Munchies]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS CLOWN DOING? JESUS

[adzzzbatch]

Hmmmmmm do I watch the Arsenal match or the Davis Cup? Decisions decisions.

[Marc Overmars]

Xhaka.

Punished for playing too well at Watford.