Are the glory days over for good?

[LDG]

Put simply:


Graham Era ----------------------- Wenger Glory Era ----------------------Sugardaddy Era

Standard English Football---------- Birth of sports technology & foriegn unknowns ---------------- Money & Super Wages

Low Ticket Prices / Hardcore Fans --------- Families & Hardcore Fans -------------------------Tourists & Families & Corporate Seats & A Few Hardcore Fans

Boring ----------------------- Exciting & Fresh & Successful ------------------- unable to compete / business more important than football

[Özim]

So what are you saying here? Your argument (against the assertion that Wenger could fill a 60,000 seat stadium and Graham could not) is that paying supporters are idiots?

I likened them to Lemmings not idiots as such, you could say they are loyal and that's true of course (which is an admirable quality), but who spends a small fortune when they know they're being conned. Moreover in a sense it does more harm than good as it allows the board to treat fans however they wish.

Graham's teams didn't play great football to be fair, but the stuff we play now is also a total bore and on top of that there's a lack of quality and desire, add to that the sanctimonious attitude of the board and it's hard to understand why so many turn up to be honest, especially with so little complaints to be heard about the board and manager (at matches).

[Fist of Lehmann]

I likened them to Lemmings not idiots as such, you could say they are loyal and that's true of course (which is an admirable quality), but who spends a small fortune when they know they're being conned. Moreover in a sense it does more harm than good as it allows the board to treat fans however they wish.

Graham's teams didn't play great football to be fair, but the stuff we play now is also a total bore and on top of that there's a lack of quality and desire, add to that the sanctimonious attitude of the board and it's hard to understand why so many turn up to be honest, especially with so little complaints to be heard about the board and manager (at matches).

It's a difference in outlook. Some people who follow Arsenal see it as a product to be consumed. Others are thick and thin supporters. In a sense those supporters can't be conned, because value for money is not a consideration to them. They have an emotional attachment to the club, an attachment that could be exploited by an unscrupulous board.

Consumers on the other hand will flock away in droves when the product isn't great.

Calling one side lemmings and the other side plastics just shows a fundamental lack of understanding of why people follow a particular team.

[Letters]

Put simply:


Graham Era ----------------------- Wenger Glory Era ----------------------Sugardaddy Era

Standard English Football---------- Birth of sports technology & foriegn unknowns ---------------- Money & Super Wages

Low Ticket Prices / Hardcore Fans --------- Families & Hardcore Fans -------------------------Tourists & Families & Corporate Seats & A Few Hardcore Fans

Boring ----------------------- Exciting & Fresh & Successful ------------------- unable to compete / business more important than football

That.

[selassie]

Mata would have failed at us IMO he is that small weak type player that doesn't do well ( I am looking at your Theo here) Gervinho is bigger, stronger and looks like he has a bit of will about him that he will need here. IMO he is the better signing for us. Of course i would have had both but hey ho

Oh come on, Mata is technically excellent, way way way above Theo's level. He's basically Nasri mark II Imho.

I do agree though that Gervinho has a lot of potential, if he bulks up a bit and finds end product then he could be like a Ade type signing for us.

[Fist of Lehmann]

Put simply:


Graham Era ----------------------- Wenger Glory Era ----------------------Sugardaddy Era

Standard English Football---------- Birth of sports technology & foriegn unknowns ---------------- Money & Super Wages

Low Ticket Prices / Hardcore Fans --------- Families & Hardcore Fans -------------------------Tourists & Families & Corporate Seats & A Few Hardcore Fans

Boring ----------------------- Exciting & Fresh & Successful ------------------- unable to compete / business more important than football

Unpleasantly laid out but essentially correct.

Much like your face.

[Letters]

Unpleasantly laid out but essentially correct.

Much like your face.

[LDG]

My face is correct

[Fist of Lehmann]

My face is correct

It's so wrong, it's right

[Marc Overmars]

We've seen this before though right, players with no end product.....he's decent and energetic but in the final third he's been hopeless thus far, his shooting is weak, he picks the wrong option too often and just doesn't deliver.....bit like Eboue did.

I'm not expecting many goals from Gervinho though to be fair as he had a very average career goal record in France as well.

I think he has something to offer, but I don't see his end product improving under Wenger who's teams in the last 6 years have often had players who lack that end product.

I always judge forwards by their movement and tenacity, if these traits are in place then I feel goals will come naturally if you have a little patience. Look at Chamakh for example, a complete statue most of the time and very rarely gets himself into goal scoring positions. Can't say the same for Gervinho, I'd give him a little longer yet.